[eal-bilingual] Recording more than one language

Dear colleagues

I refer you to the supplementary guidance produced by the DCSF for
collecting language data which provides definitions for first language
and home language:
http://www.standards.dfes.gov.uk/ethnicminorities/resources/First_Lang_S
upp_Gdnc_Jan08

Amy Thompson 
Adviser for Minority Ethnic Achievement & 
Primary School Improvement Partner
Medway Children's Services 
Civic Centre 
Strood, Rochester 
Kent, ME2 4AU 
Tel: 01634 338594 
Fax: 01634 331171 

-----Original Message-----
From: eal-bilingual-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
[mailto:eal-bilingual-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of
Sara.Green at rbkc.gov.uk
Sent: 28 January 2008 13:57
To: eal-bilingual at lists.becta.org.uk
Subject: RE: [eal-bilingual] Recording more than one language

Colleagues

Our SIMS team has confirmed that while there are two fields currently
(the first language is what census and CTF collect. The home language is
a very condensed lookup which can be edited) their understanding is that
the home language field will eventually become obsolete. If people need
to collect
several home languages the alterative way is user defined fields. The
team is currently setting these up in all our schools.

Sara

Sara Green
Head of Language Development Service
Family and Children's Services
Isaac Newton Centre
108a Lancaster Road
London W11 1QS

Email: sara.green at rbkc.gov.uk
Direct line: 020 7598 4817
Fax: 020 7598 4808
Website: www.rbkc.gov.uk   
LDS 14-19 website: www.rbkc.gov.uk/eal14to19

-----Original Message-----
From: eal-bilingual-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
[mailto:eal-bilingual-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of CATHARINE
DRIVER
Sent: 26 January 2008 18:38
To: stuart.scott; For practitioners involved in teaching pupils from
ethnic andlinguistic minorities
Subject: Re: [eal-bilingual] Recording more than one language

Yes I've come across some of these problems too. 
  However, SIMS can record two languages. I think it has a section for
home language and another for mother tongue. I cannot however, put in 3
languages. 

  We still find SIMS cannot record some of the more obscure languages,
but you can customise it to do so. It's just that when you get a new
language it's never seen before that the data manager has to alter the
field or something.
  Our system didn't like Thai, Mongolian, Oromo and Malayalam this year
for example!

  From what I remember the DCSF think that if one parent speaks English
and the child has been speaking English at home, she cannot then be EAL-
but I just ignore this and record whatever home language is spoken as
well as English and no one has complained yet!

  Generally  the inputting of data is only as good as the admission
form, so the onus on schools is to get that right first. 

  Catharine

"stuart.scott" <stuart.scott at collaborativelearning.org> wrote:
  I was in a school yesterday where a group of new arrivals were being
put on the school data system.Two of them had parents who had different
first languages and the children had acquired both. The school used
Integris and there was only apparent space on the system to record one
language. I think
that if schools use SIMS there is a way in which both languages can be
recorded.

Some questions.

Are you giving guidance to schools about recording their languages?

Are you encouraging them to record more than one language?

Have you encountered a two/three... language issue?

Are schools recording languages arbitrarily e.g. from the language of
the father only/the mother only?

If a child has an English father and consequently an English sounding
family name but speaks another language, is this getting recorded?

Stuart

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