EASYSPEAK Aspergers/ASD difference

Amanda, I come from a similar background to yourself.

The people doing the diagnosis do vary in ability / capability so
very much - and so much is down to interpretation.  I know kids
here who have all sorts of different labels - some who had had
'additional' problems also labelled (depression / dyspraxia /
compulsion & obsession)

I believe the knowledge that they are on the spectrum added to
having language and if they have an average IQ - then I consider
them 'Asperger' ------- just my opinion of course but I have seen
some 100+

Cheers
Rosalyn

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk
[mailto:owner-easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk]On
Behalf Of Amanda Curry
Sent: 16 May 2002 23:53
To: easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk
Subject: Re: EASYSPEAK Aspergers/ASD difference

Thanks Rosalyn,
this has helped a bit! Still not sure about the differences as I
know ASD
children, NOT diagnosed Aspergers who seem, on the surface, to
fit the
Aspergers diagnosis.
Amanda

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosalyn Lord" <actionasd at talk21.com>
To: <easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: EASYSPEAK Aspergers/ASD difference

> Amanda, I come from a similar background to yourself.
>
> Firstly, 'ASD' is not a definitive diagnosis.  It is not
> available in any of the diagnostic manuals (DSM/ICD) - It is my
> experience that it is being used frequently by diagnosticians
> when faced with a young child who possibly does not fit the
full
> 'Autism' diagnosis, but can not yet be classified as
> 'Asperger's'.  As it is quite common for a young child to have
> delayed language and therefore, may other skills, individuals
> 'move up the spectrum' as they mature.  Therefore, rather than
> use the outdated 'Autistic Features' - meaning some not all of
> the criteria is seen - the term ASD is being used.  All autism
is
> linked to Wing's triad - but to be clinically (correctly)
> diagnosed with 'Asperger's' then there must be no significant
> delays in language development etc.,  This is currently under
> question as many clinicians say a high proportion of those
> considered 'Asperger' when older did have language delay in
early
> years.  IQ is a factor - 70+ for Asperger - but with all with
ASD
> it is a very difficult thing to test for as most tests are
> language based and contain string elements of social
> understanding.
>
> My own son, at 2 was diagnosed with 'autistic features', now
> almost 16 he is a classis Asperger. He has a lot of language
> difficulty and does not appear to seek out socialisation -
> although he enjoys it when in a sympathetic environment.
>
> Not sure if any of this has helped.
>
> Rosalyn Lord PG Dip ASD -
> and another 'lurker'
> -
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk
> [mailto:owner-easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk]On
> Behalf Of Amanda Curry
> Sent: 16 May 2002 21:42
> To: easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk
> Subject: Re: EASYSPEAK Aspergers/ASD difference
>
>
> Thanks Rik
> OK, so, is there any possibility you could explain this for me
as
> it seems
> to 'fit' my son more than the ASD 'label' now that I have read
it
> again (and
> am still trying to take it in).>>>
> Re Aspergers: "In contrast to Autistic disorder (Autism), there
> are no
> clinically significant delays in language or cognition or self
> help skills
> or in adaptive behavior, other than social interaction."
> Amanda C
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rik Ludlow" <rik.ludlow at ntlworld.com>
> To: <easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:18 PM
> Subject: RE: EASYSPEAK Aspergers/ASD difference
>
>
> > Hi Amanda
> > Good to see you contributing - like many who "lurk" for a
long
> time
> > first, it is good to get a feel for the sorts of messages
that
> a
> > particular group can cope with!
> >
> > You may also want to post the request on Senco Forum.
> >
> > I have worked with a number of children with an "autistic
> spectrum
> > disorder" - this is a general term for all children who
exhibit
> any of
> > the traits described in "Wing's Triad".
> > Aspergers Syndrome is a sub-set within the ASD, which
includes
> these
> > traits but also includes generally higher level
"intelligence"
> in a
> > number of areas.
> >
> > As a generalisation -
> > Most (not all) of the children I have worked with the
Aspergers
> label
> > have wanted to socialise - but have not known how to do so
> > appropriately. Most have been able to read, write and talk at
> something
> > pretty close to age appropriate levels, but may communicate
in
> socially
> > very inappropriate ways.  Several have been hyperlexic, with
an
> ability
> > to decode words to give a reading age above chronological
age -
> though
> > normally with comprehension (particularly inference)
relatively
> > depressed.
> > Many of the children who have been  ASD without the Aspergers
> label
> > have appeared to be relatively less interested in
socialising,
> and their
> > written/spoken language has been at a lower level.
> >
> > http://users.wpi.edu/~trek/aspergers.html gives this:
> Aspergers
> > Syndrome, also known as Aspergers Disorder or Autistic
> Psychopathy, is a
> > Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) characterized by
severe
> and
> > sustained impairment in social interaction, development of
> restricted
> > and repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, and
activities.
> These
> > characteristics result in clinically significant impairment
in
> social,
> > occupational, or other important areas of functioning.  In
> contrast to
> > Autistic disorder (Autism), there are no clinically
significant
> delays
> > in language or cognition or self help skills or in adaptive
> behavior,
> > other than social interaction.
> >
> > You may also like to read the article at
> http://www.mugsy.org/bishop.htm
> >
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Rik Ludlow
> > "Ludlow Learning"
> > Independent consultancy
> > ICT supporting Special Educational Needs
> > rik.ludlow at ntlworld.com
> > 01623 474762
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk
> [mailto:owner-easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk]
> > On Behalf Of Amanda Curry
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 6:36 PM
> > To: easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk
> > Subject: EASYSPEAK Aspergers
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I haven't posted to this forum before. I am a member of the
> SENCO forum
> > and have been a member here for some time but never felt the
> need to
> > pose a question. I am a mature student teacher, have worked
> with SEN
> > children in many various sport guises and am a mum of an ASD
/
> ADHD
> > child of 11. I hope to go in to SEN after I graduate (if I
ever
> do - it
> > feels like a very long road at the moment!). I have access to
> lost of
> > SEN information, books, factsheets etc and obviously the
> internet is a
> > great help, however, I was kind of hoping for a quick fix
this
> time! I
> > know, "impossible" you may say after reading the question,
but
> if anyone
> > can help I would be really grateful.
> >
> > I am trying to answer a question on the difference between
ASD
> and
> > Aspergers and I know that Aspergers is an ASD but our son has
> the ASD
> > diagnosis and not Aspergers (although he has been assessed
for
> this).
> > Apart from supplying lots of lengthy written explanations for
> the
> > differences can anyone sum up in a few sentences what the
> 'main'
> > differences are?
> >
> > Anyway, I thought that this knowledge would also be good  for
> me as a
> > professional as I know that many teachers have often asked
what
> the
> > difference is! Thank you in advance. Amanda Curry
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Hawes" <paul at sensorysoftware.com>
> > To: <easyspeak at ngfl.gov.uk>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:35 PM
> > Subject: EASYSPEAK slow chat room
> >
> >
> > > It's along shot, but can anyone help us with this request?
> > >
> > > Hi I have recently met up with a friend who uses the hands
> off
> > > program, My friend is interested to find a chat room  or
> similar with
> > > other people who use the hand off or other type of program,
> We have
> > > tried a few chatrooms which are just to fast and wondered
if
> you knew
> > > of any such place, Any
> > help
> > > would be most appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Paul Hawes
> > >
> > > Sensory Software International Ltd
> > > 26 Abbey Rd
> > > Great Malvern
> > > Worcs, UK
> > > WR14 3HD
> > > +44 (0)1684 578868 fax 897753
> > > www.sensorysoftware.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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