[oats-sig] RE: oats-sig, open gazer

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1hello Stephen and Simon,

I must apologise for not having looked at the software enough before offering my help in Windows, I had assumed (for some strange reason) that the code would be available for open gazer compatible with Windows.  I will offer my help in porting software, although I fear I lacked the experience necessary.  I'm still willing to try though.  This may be a silly suggestion, but would iron Python and or clr/dlr be of any help in this?

In response to how I use a click, I say the command mouseclick in Dragon(after using say what you see or mousegrid), mouse  less browsing, this is a very slow method, and before I used the dwell functions of a head mouse, although this is also very tedious.I think using a gaze driven switch via the web cam, as well as speech recognition with scripts, as well as smartnav if necessary, would offer a competitive solution for me.  The switch could be activated by looking within a range of coordinates (threshold-based method, even a corner or off the screen as in above a vertical coordinate threshold-very simple) or by looking straight back at the camera.1

in the future I would like to use electrode-based switches on my arms (for which I have a controllable twitch) or shoulder switches, although I'm trying to reserve these options for other environmental controls.

Tom
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> From: "Simon Judge" <simon.judge at nhs.net>
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> Becta have noticed we don't use a couple of mail lists setup originally...
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> Cheers.
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> Simon
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> fine with me
> We are starting to have more technical discussion now though ;-)
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> On 02/10/2007, Simon Judge <simon.judge at nhs.net> wrote:
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> > Becta have noticed we don't use a couple of mail lists setup originally...
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> > Simon
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> > We're currently host 4 mailing lists:
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> From: Tom Nabarro <whizz2000 at hotmail.com>
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> 511"
> The next step is to start interpreting the calculated gaze positions into a
> switch activation. opengazer outputs everything to a port as it works, which
> should make things a bit easier. Any suggestions on good assistive software
> I can play around with? I hear there's this great "Jambu" thing... :)
>  
> "
> 
> in response to this from Stephen, if you need anything done on Windows I could write a socket application to listen for that port and then interpret the gaze positions     to detect for switch activationbased on the threshold method at first.  I might have the wrong end of the stick, but if any of this sounds useful let me know.
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> From: "Steve Lee" <steve at fullmeasure.co.uk>
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> Hi Tom, I think that is the technique to use. The question I see is
> what form it should take.
> 
> It would be great to have it integrated in Jambu (thanks Stephen).
> That could be done by having it add events to the switch event queue
> as got by Switch.getEvent()
> http://www.oatsoft.org/trac/jambu/browser/trunk/src/Switch.py
> 
> Otherwise a more general purpose input device or adding synthetic
> events to opengazer would work.
> 
> How do you detect switch activations? Dwell?
> 
> On 02/10/2007, Tom Nabarro <whizz2000 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  511"
> > The next step is to start interpreting the calculated gaze positions into a
> > switch activation. opengazer outputs everything to a port as it works, which
> > should make things a bit easier. Any suggestions on good assistive software
> > I can play around with? I hear there's this great "Jambu" thing... :)
> >
> > "
> >
> > in response to this from Stephen, if you need anything done on Windows I
> > could write a socket application to listen for that port and then interpret
> > the gaze positions     to detect for switch activationbased on the threshold
> > method at first.  I might have the wrong end of the stick, but if any of
> > this sounds useful let me know.
> >
> > ________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:05:35 +0100
> From: "stephen emslie" <stephenemslie at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Re: open gazer
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> On 10/3/07, Steve Lee <steve at fullmeasure.co.uk> wrote:
> > It would be great to have it integrated in Jambu (thanks Stephen).
> > That could be done by having it add events to the switch event queue
> > as got by Switch.getEvent()
> > http://www.oatsoft.org/trac/jambu/browser/trunk/src/Switch.py
> 
> I was rather hoping you would say that :)
> 
> I think that directly integrating with Jambu is an excellent place to
> start. A generalized virtual device approach can always come later
> when we can prove that the concept works.
> 
> The question of detecting switch activations is an important one. Mick
> Donegan's original suggestion was something like a threshold glance -
> looking far enough in one direction fires the switch.
> 
> I think the quickest route to a basic proof-of-concept would be
> something like this basic threshold technique, though I am sure there
> are better options - ideally something like Simon's gestures idea.
> Perhaps Mick would like to join in on this discussion?
> 
> Thanks Steve for suggesting Jambu here. From my perspective the main
> goal now is to set up an environment for experimenting with different
> activation options and Jambu sounds like a good options for this. Is
> there an subversion repository I could check out to get started?
> 
> Sorry for the absence of any opengazer build-instructions. I'll write
> them up today.
> 
> Stephen
> 
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> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:14:20 +0100
> From: "stephen emslie" <stephenemslie at gmail.com>
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> Hi Tom
> 
> Thanks for the offer of help on Windows. I'm sure that platform will
> be a barrel of fun, so probably the first thing to investigate is
> whether we can get opengazer built and running. I _think_ that most of
> the dependencies can be built on windows, but perhaps we should see
> what the author has to say.
> 
> Stephen Emslie
> 
> On 10/2/07, Tom Nabarro <whizz2000 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  511"
> > The next step is to start interpreting the calculated gaze positions into a
> > switch activation. opengazer outputs everything to a port as it works, which
> > should make things a bit easier. Any suggestions on good assistive software
> > I can play around with? I hear there's this great "Jambu" thing... :)
> >
> > "
> >
> > in response to this from Stephen, if you need anything done on Windows I
> > could write a socket application to listen for that port and then interpret
> > the gaze positions     to detect for switch activationbased on the threshold
> > method at first.  I might have the wrong end of the stick, but if any of
> > this sounds useful let me know.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. Pimp My Live!
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:54:32 +0100
> From: "Simon Judge" <simon.judge at nhs.net>
> Subject: [oats-sig] FW: recommendations for AAC tablet devices
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> >From the american resna list, with no prompting! 
> 
> 
> Cheers.
>  
> Simon
> 
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> From: RESNA's Assistive Technology Forum [mailto:AT-FORUM at LIST.RESNA.ORG] On
> Behalf Of Kocsis
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:59 AM
> To: AT-FORUM at LIST.RESNA.ORG
> Subject: Re: recommendations for AAC tablet devices
> 
> Just a random thought here, but wouldn't it be interesting to see some type
> of open source program for an HTML-based comm device using cascading style
> sheets & variety of access options (USB ports,etc) and platforms (pc,
> handheld, tablet, etc)?
> 
> What would it take to really make such a device "universal" - at least as
> far as dynamic display devices go? perhaps a program that allows folks to
> choose between text-based or icon based pages, vs text (a la 
> Words+), though I think something as unique as dasher would be tough to
> incorporate...
> 
> What do you think should go into an all-inclusive aug comm box? How 
> about a clear silicone raised button overlay that you can see the screen 
> icons through but still have button "feel appeal"? That might be a nice 
> little product to design & manufacture, kind of a reverse keyguard. :)  
> Any other fun ideas?
> 
> 
>  From out in left field - Spokane, to be exact,
> Ron
> 
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> 
> Margaret Cotts wrote:
> > Hi Geoff-
> > I think part of what was making me nervous about this question is it
> sounds
> > like the school district wants to have a hardware/software combo that they
> > can hand out to students.
> >
> > I wanted to echo what Carrie said about providing the needs assessment
> > first. When I provide an AAC evaluation, I provide an extensive needs
> > evaluation before I even think about what device to show the individual.
> > There are lots of different kinds of software which are "well-designed" in
> > certain aspects, but don't necessarily meet the needs of the individual.
> > Does the student need to use email and have internet access? Can the
> student
> > use a core vocabulary program? Which core vocabulary program works best
> for
> > the student? Do they need a symbol based program? Does the student do best
> > using an eye gaze based system? Do they need a smaller, more portable
> > system?
> >
> > I don't honestly believe you can find one piece of software that will meet
> > the needs of the school district. 
> >
> > Margaret Cotts, MA, ATP
> > The ALS Center at UCSF
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> On
> > Behalf Of Geoff Sittler
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:30 AM
> > To: AT-FORUM at LIST.RESNA.ORG
> > Subject: recommendations for AAC tablet devices
> >
> >   I'm an OT working in the school system in Oregon and am looking at
> > tablet/slate PCs that can be used as communication devices as alternatives
> > to specialty built devices like the Mercury or DynaVox.  In an effort to
> > decrease costs, I'm hoping that we could use hardware that is designed for
> > the the general public and then install software for communication.
> >    
> >   I was wondering if anyone had recommendations on hardware/software that
> > are well-designed and affordable (I know those things don't always go
> > together, but I'm hoping someone might be able to help on this).
> >    
> >   
> >   Thanks,
> >   
> >   Geoff Sittler
> >   Occupational Therapist - NWRESD, Columbia County
> >   Office: (503) 366-1715, x-236
> >   Cell: (971) 678-6793
> >   Fax: (503) 397-0796
> >   800 Port Avenue
> >   St. Helens, OR 97051
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