[oats-sig] RE: oats-sig, open gazer

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Interesting isn't it, because a simple voice recognition should be fairly
simple for a couple of words - e.g. http://www.gamecommander.com/ or
http://clans.gameclubcentral.com/shoot/ (neither open unfortunately)...
would be interesting to package this with gaze as a click option!

Looking away is going to be tricky as a switch method for 'true gaze' (high
res) since the program would have to work out where you meant to click,
probably by fixation time, in which case you might as well just dwell?  

For a gaze-web-cam-switch then selection is easy since I would have thought
you would have a 'dead zone' and then 'active zones' where switches were
activated if you looked at them...  It would be interesting to see what
resolution you could get with this (i.e. how many switches) and I guess this
is what you are doing stephen...  

To use it in conjunction with normal computer use, where you all looking
around the screen would be interesting - since you would want to look at the
'switch' area of the screen sometimes? Unless you just sacrifice it
completely, or if you can detect looking past the edge of the screen...?  

A windows opengazer port would be great, would have thought it would be a
challenge though?!!! 

I expect that Piotr would be interested to know any progress you make
Stephen, since i don't think he lurks on this list. (-;

Anyway, enough rambling...  

Cheers.

Simon

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[mailto:oats-sig-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Nabarro
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:59 PM
To: oats-sig at lists.becta.org.uk
Subject: [oats-sig] RE: oats-sig, open gazer

1hello Stephen and Simon,

I must apologise for not having looked at the software enough before
offering my help in Windows, I had assumed (for some strange reason) that
the code would be available for open gazer compatible with Windows.  I will
offer my help in porting software, although I fear I lacked the experience
necessary.  I'm still willing to try though.  This may be a silly
suggestion, but would iron Python and or clr/dlr be of any help in this?

In response to how I use a click, I say the command mouseclick in
Dragon(after using say what you see or mousegrid), mouse  less browsing,
this is a very slow method, and before I used the dwell functions of a head
mouse, although this is also very tedious.I think using a gaze driven switch
via the web cam, as well as speech recognition with scripts, as well as
smartnav if necessary, would offer a competitive solution for me.  The
switch could be activated by looking within a range of coordinates
(threshold-based method, even a corner or off the screen as in above a
vertical coordinate threshold-very simple) or by looking straight back at
the camera.1

in the future I would like to use electrode-based switches on my arms (for
which I have a controllable twitch) or shoulder switches, although I'm
trying to reserve these options for other environmental controls.

Tom
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> Becta have noticed we don't use a couple of mail lists setup originally...
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> Cheers.
> 
> Simon
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> fine with me
> We are starting to have more technical discussion now though ;-)
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> On 02/10/2007, Simon Judge <simon.judge at nhs.net> wrote:
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> 511"
> The next step is to start interpreting the calculated gaze positions into
a
> switch activation. opengazer outputs everything to a port as it works,
which
> should make things a bit easier. Any suggestions on good assistive
software
> I can play around with? I hear there's this great "Jambu" thing... :)
> 
> "
> 
> in response to this from Stephen, if you need anything done on Windows I
could write a socket application to listen for that port and then interpret
the gaze positions to detect for switch activationbased on the threshold
method at first. I might have the wrong end of the stick, but if any of this
sounds useful let me know.
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> From: "Steve Lee" <steve at fullmeasure.co.uk>
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> Hi Tom, I think that is the technique to use. The question I see is
> what form it should take.
> 
> It would be great to have it integrated in Jambu (thanks Stephen).
> That could be done by having it add events to the switch event queue
> as got by Switch.getEvent()
> http://www.oatsoft.org/trac/jambu/browser/trunk/src/Switch.py
> 
> Otherwise a more general purpose input device or adding synthetic
> events to opengazer would work.
> 
> How do you detect switch activations? Dwell?
> 
> On 02/10/2007, Tom Nabarro <whizz2000 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 511"
> > The next step is to start interpreting the calculated gaze positions
into a
> > switch activation. opengazer outputs everything to a port as it works,
which
> > should make things a bit easier. Any suggestions on good assistive
software
> > I can play around with? I hear there's this great "Jambu" thing... :)
> >
> > "
> >
> > in response to this from Stephen, if you need anything done on Windows I
> > could write a socket application to listen for that port and then
interpret
> > the gaze positions to detect for switch activationbased on the threshold
> > method at first. I might have the wrong end of the stick, but if any of
> > this sounds useful let me know.
> >
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> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:05:35 +0100
> From: "stephen emslie" <stephenemslie at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Re: open gazer
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> On 10/3/07, Steve Lee <steve at fullmeasure.co.uk> wrote:
> > It would be great to have it integrated in Jambu (thanks Stephen).
> > That could be done by having it add events to the switch event queue
> > as got by Switch.getEvent()
> > http://www.oatsoft.org/trac/jambu/browser/trunk/src/Switch.py
> 
> I was rather hoping you would say that :)
> 
> I think that directly integrating with Jambu is an excellent place to
> start. A generalized virtual device approach can always come later
> when we can prove that the concept works.
> 
> The question of detecting switch activations is an important one. Mick
> Donegan's original suggestion was something like a threshold glance -
> looking far enough in one direction fires the switch.
> 
> I think the quickest route to a basic proof-of-concept would be
> something like this basic threshold technique, though I am sure there
> are better options - ideally something like Simon's gestures idea.
> Perhaps Mick would like to join in on this discussion?
> 
> Thanks Steve for suggesting Jambu here. From my perspective the main
> goal now is to set up an environment for experimenting with different
> activation options and Jambu sounds like a good options for this. Is
> there an subversion repository I could check out to get started?
> 
> Sorry for the absence of any opengazer build-instructions. I'll write
> them up today.
> 
> Stephen
> 
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> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:14:20 +0100
> From: "stephen emslie" <stephenemslie at gmail.com>
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> Hi Tom
> 
> Thanks for the offer of help on Windows. I'm sure that platform will
> be a barrel of fun, so probably the first thing to investigate is
> whether we can get opengazer built and running. I _think_ that most of
> the dependencies can be built on windows, but perhaps we should see
> what the author has to say.
> 
> Stephen Emslie
> 
> On 10/2/07, Tom Nabarro <whizz2000 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 511"
> > The next step is to start interpreting the calculated gaze positions
into a
> > switch activation. opengazer outputs everything to a port as it works,
which
> > should make things a bit easier. Any suggestions on good assistive
software
> > I can play around with? I hear there's this great "Jambu" thing... :)
> >
> > "
> >
> > in response to this from Stephen, if you need anything done on Windows I
> > could write a socket application to listen for that port and then
interpret
> > the gaze positions to detect for switch activationbased on the threshold
> > method at first. I might have the wrong end of the stick, but if any of
> > this sounds useful let me know.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. Pimp My
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> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:54:32 +0100
> From: "Simon Judge" <simon.judge at nhs.net>
> Subject: [oats-sig] FW: recommendations for AAC tablet devices
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> >>From the american resna list, with no prompting! 
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Simon
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> To: AT-FORUM at LIST.RESNA.ORG
> Subject: Re: recommendations for AAC tablet devices
> 
> Just a random thought here, but wouldn't it be interesting to see some
type
> of open source program for an HTML-based comm device using cascading style
> sheets & variety of access options (USB ports,etc) and platforms (pc,
> handheld, tablet, etc)?
> 
> What would it take to really make such a device "universal" - at least as
> far as dynamic display devices go? perhaps a program that allows folks to
> choose between text-based or icon based pages, vs text (a la 
> Words+), though I think something as unique as dasher would be tough to
> incorporate...
> 
> What do you think should go into an all-inclusive aug comm box? How 
> about a clear silicone raised button overlay that you can see the screen 
> icons through but still have button "feel appeal"? That might be a nice 
> little product to design & manufacture, kind of a reverse keyguard. :) 
> Any other fun ideas?
> 
> 
> From out in left field - Spokane, to be exact,
> Ron
> 
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> Margaret Cotts wrote:
> > Hi Geoff-
> > I think part of what was making me nervous about this question is it
> sounds
> > like the school district wants to have a hardware/software combo that
they
> > can hand out to students.
> >
> > I wanted to echo what Carrie said about providing the needs assessment
> > first. When I provide an AAC evaluation, I provide an extensive needs
> > evaluation before I even think about what device to show the individual.
> > There are lots of different kinds of software which are "well-designed"
in
> > certain aspects, but don't necessarily meet the needs of the individual.
> > Does the student need to use email and have internet access? Can the
> student
> > use a core vocabulary program? Which core vocabulary program works best
> for
> > the student? Do they need a symbol based program? Does the student do
best
> > using an eye gaze based system? Do they need a smaller, more portable
> > system?
> >
> > I don't honestly believe you can find one piece of software that will
meet
> > the needs of the school district. 
> >
> > Margaret Cotts, MA, ATP
> > The ALS Center at UCSF
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> On
> > Behalf Of Geoff Sittler
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:30 AM
> > To: AT-FORUM at LIST.RESNA.ORG
> > Subject: recommendations for AAC tablet devices
> >
> > I'm an OT working in the school system in Oregon and am looking at
> > tablet/slate PCs that can be used as communication devices as
alternatives
> > to specialty built devices like the Mercury or DynaVox. In an effort to
> > decrease costs, I'm hoping that we could use hardware that is designed
for
> > the the general public and then install software for communication.
> > 
> > I was wondering if anyone had recommendations on hardware/software that
> > are well-designed and affordable (I know those things don't always go
> > together, but I'm hoping someone might be able to help on this).
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Geoff Sittler
> > Occupational Therapist - NWRESD, Columbia County
> > Office: (503) 366-1715, x-236
> > Cell: (971) 678-6793
> > Fax: (503) 397-0796
> > 800 Port Avenue
> > St. Helens, OR 97051
> > gsittler at nwresd.k12.or.us
> > www.nwresd.k12.or.us 
> > 
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