[oats-sig] Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'

Jonathan, I can clearly see why you want the groups. what I don't

Steve,

excellent point!

The screencast is in alpha too. I had forgotten to include a  
demonstration that one can also click on every icon in the chat  
application.

So to your query, ultimately to author:

	web pages, Zanadu at the bottom of the homepage is my current  
visualisation of a graphic interactive space that anyone should be  
able to create, mostly feeds, be sure to try the chair, well go on try  
them all...

	chat, for now it gives a context. so if your dont know the symbol  
'melon' click on it and you find it's a fruit, similarly for other  
topics. This is a huge area, and many other respondents are concerned  
that many users will want smaller symbol domains.

oh and finally many users of openclipart have asked for a graphic  
means of searching.
So in this case you find the style you like, the topic, and then the  
individual icon. (or search by text)
you learn what else is available in the set.
style is a killer u.s.p. for a search tool, words just dont get there.

the author maintains the set and can update.
to use the icon, you don't use the code merely link to the icon like  
this:
<use xlink:href="http://www.openicon.org/icon-ark/mulberry/fruit.svgz#melon 
" x="0" y="0" width="150" height="150" />
aka clone.

best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

j.chetwynd at btinternet.com
http://www.openicon.org/

+44 (0) 20 7978 1764

On 10 Jul 2008, at 11:08, Steve Lee wrote:

> Jonathan, I can clearly see why you want the groups. what I don't
> quite get is what you *do* with the items you find in the search.
>
> I'm also interested in finding good OSS webcaste software, preferably
> using open formats.
>
> Steve
>
> 2008/7/10 Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com>:
>> Mats,
>> excellent feedback, the reality is the project is 'proof of  
>> concept' to
>> encourage and help understanding of the issues.
>> particularly amongst browser and specification developers.
>> Also to encourage Bliss and other symbol copyright holders to  
>> consider
>> benefits of publishing
>> Taking it forward requires European partners, and there has already  
>> been
>> significant interest.
>> perhaps you'd consider this?
>> in the short term it is possible that separate communities using  
>> limited
>> sets of symbols will communicate independent of each other.
>> language is one very obvious barrier, symbols sets another.
>> perhaps using applications with parts that are held in common.
>> one of the objectives of the project is to test the benefits of  
>> grouping
>> symbols in categories and providing a group symbol.
>> as our users are known to have difficulties generalising and  
>> transferring
>> knowledge.
>> The methodology of the web makes the need for these topic symbols  
>> far more
>> apparent, eg home
>> whereas a book never had such a thing as a 'home' iirc.
>> naturally I would very much welcome your support in respect of any  
>> aspect of
>> development
>> regards
>>
>> Jonathan Chetwynd
>>
>> j.chetwynd at btinternet.com
>> http://www.openicon.org/
>>
>> +44 (0) 20 7978 1764
>>
>> On 9 Jul 2008, at 23:53, Mats Lundälv wrote:
>>
>> Great job Jonathan!
>>
>> I had some problems viewing your demo due to my poor and slow mobile
>> connection. But as far as I could see your demo was nice and clear,  
>> but I
>> suppose many visitors may need some additional short introduction to
>> understand what you're aiming at.
>>
>> About your overall approach: It is a bit unclear to me how you  
>> envisage that
>> these features will be employed by the target users. From my  
>> experience many
>> of the potential target users would (hopefully) be used to some  
>> kind of AAC
>> to help them communicate - a familiar symbol vocabulary, organised  
>> in a
>> special way. They will have invested substantial time and effort to  
>> master
>> that vocabulary and the structure it is organised in. For these  
>> users it
>> will be very essential to be able to apply those same AAC resources  
>> and
>> skills also on your chat forum etc. - and not be faced with a  
>> totally new
>> environment. How do you envisage this? The symbol resources you and
>> potentially other people will offer within your framework could be  
>> a very
>> interesting resource to explore and learn to use for these users,  
>> but they
>> would typically want that as a complement to their existing AAC  
>> tools - not
>> instead of. This is what we recently found - confirming our old  
>> experiences
>> - in the NavigAbile project, where the option to re-map their  
>> existing
>> personal AAC resoures reasonably well on the web was rated very  
>> high and
>> even a necessary precondition for their motivation to participate.
>>
>> Do you plan to supply speech support as well? We have found that very
>> essential as well, in addition to the graphical symbol and text  
>> modalities.
>> Cheers,
>> Mats
>>
>> -----<oats-sig-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk> skrev: -----
>>
>> Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'
>> anyone know of a decent foss screencast application with audio for  
>> os x?
>> http://www.openicon.org now has a screencast please send me your  
>> comments.
>> The UK Government wants to hear your ideas for new products that  
>> could
>> improve the way public information is communicated.
>> You can read my entry 'Free our Symbols' here:
>> http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/2008/07/write-it.html
>> regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan Chetwynd
>>
>>
>>
>> j.chetwynd at btinternet.com
>> http://www.openicon.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> +44 (0) 20 7978 1764
>>
>>
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> Steve Lee
> Open Source Assistive Technology Software and Accessibility
> fullmeasure.co.uk
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