[oats-sig] "non-conscious inputs directly from your mind."

Hi Stephen, Steeve, Jonathan and all,

mats,

your response is misplaced, any product that reaches a commercial  
market place can have a huge impact.
think of the Wii.
raising awareness is a significant part of the battle, and it's  
usually an advantage not to be limited to the single front of  
disability.

I'm not aware of the price of medical EEG machines, but would not  
expect them to be economic...
having said which my expectations are not high.

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd

j.chetwynd at btinternet.com
http://www.openicon.org/

+44 (0) 20 7978 1764

On 25 Jun 2008, at 21:23, Mats Lundälv wrote:

> Hi Stephen, Steeve, Jonathan and all,
>
> While the price looks good - if it's for real - my sceptical  
> experience tells me that the claims most certainly aren't for real.
>
> We've been through it all with CyberLink, and I suspect this will  
> come out pretty much the same:
> This is definitely not anything close to "thought control". This is  
> a device that will produce a much more coarse registration of brain  
> signals than an ordinary EEG registration - and who has been talking  
> about using that for "controlling by thought"?  It is possibly  
> something close to very gross bio-feedback effects - nothing very  
> new in itself - setting yourself in gross states of relaxation and  
> concentration/alertness - might work for some people, but  
> unfortunately usually not for target users with physical  
> disabilities. If it works, it is generally a slow and rather  
> inefficient and difficult way to control things, compared to other  
> options.
>
> The things that worked better for some users were the "additional  
> features" (apart from the hyped brain/thought control), that is the  
> myo-electrical signals from eye and face muscles, but that's not  
> very revolutionary, is it?
>
> But ok, an interesting toy to play around with to find out if some  
> of its features might be of interest for some users as an  
> accessibility option. We should keep our expectations on a rather  
> low level though ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Mats
>
> -----<oats-sig-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk> skrev: -----
>
> At $299 it seems a lot more attractive than an eye tracker! I wonder  
> if that price is for real.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Steve Lee <steve at fullmeasure.co.uk>  
> wrote:
> So it has at arrived at last ;-)
>
> I don't know how easy it will be to control a pointer , but a virtual
> switch-style joystick might work well.
> It should work well with Jambu as only simple gestures are needed for
> 'next' and 'activate'.
>
> --
> Steve Lee
> --
> Open Source Assistive Technology Software
> web: fullmeasure.co.uk
> blog: eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog
>
> 2008/6/22 Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com>:
> > "non-conscious inputs directly from your mind."
> > http://emotiv.com/INDS_3/inds_3.html
> > article in today's NYT:
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/technology/08novel.html
> > cheers
> > ~:"
> > http://www.openicon.org beta in preparation....
> >
> >
> > Jonathan Chetwynd
> >
> > j.chetwynd at btinternet.com
> > http://www.openicon.org/
> >
> > +44 (0) 20 7978 1764
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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