[senco-forum] Developing listening skills in secondary pupils

Aly writes: 'Perhaps this derision comes from the "commercial interest" 
declared...and  does not therefore need a reply.

About my 'commercial interest' - I am an non-profit making 'commercial 
interest' Any cash surplus is always invested in research - unfortunately 
there is not always a cash surplus to invest. If the governement authorises 
research on the scale of some my projects, they invariably allocate anywhere 
between one and four million pounds to the project. I take nothing from the 
government - I spend only money that has accrued from the 'commercial 
interest' that you refer to so disparagingly.

I live on entirely on an  income which is completely independent of my 
'commercial interests.'

Schools get to try my products for a month and if they dont like them, they 
send them back. I can can only accrue a surplus to invest in research if my 
products are successful.

About the value of dictation you write -' but it does not prove the child 
has understood a word of it.  ' You are of course well aware that I have 
made no claim that dictation enhances comprehension and your inferring that 
I do make such a claim is crudely dishonest.

Eddie C.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Olanys at aol.com>
To: <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Developing listening skills in secondary pupils

>
>
>
> There is  a tiny grain of truth among the pile of junk in Olanys
> 'contribution.
>
>
> Perhaps this derision comes from the "commercial interest" declared...and
> does not therefore need a reply.
>
> "Where the child produces an exercise book with a reasonably accurate
> transcription
> from dictation, that is unassailable evidence that a good  quality of
> listening has taken place."
>
> Maybe so- but it does not prove the child has understood a word of it.
> Children with APD pay attention, listen intently and still cannot take 
> down
> dication because they do not PROCESS the information or UNDERSTAND it. 
> Without
> undertstanding, what use is dictation? They could just as well have 
> listened
> intently
>
> "Towards the end of the year, when I hope to have feedback from a large
> number of schools in several countries, if the results are anything like 
> the
> results obtained in trials, I think that SENCo will have access to a new 
> and
> highly effective remedial tool."
>
> Remediation of what? Does this prove a child can listen in other 
> situations,
> in a mainstream classroom, for example? And what about  understanding...do
> you test for that because without it, the exercise is  futile.
>
> Why punish a child who is already struggling with  making them remediate
> something irrelevant...use the time better to actually hep  them master a 
> skill
> they will need.
>
> Perhaps like dolfrog has said, the reason children  seem to not listen as
> well is because the world is changing and the fact that  auditory 
> sequential
> learners are the minority is coming more apparent. If more  information 
> was
> presernted visually these children would not be seen to be  lacking... so 
> instead of
> trying to "fix" a child who isnt "broken", why not  teach them the way 
> they
> actually learn!
>
> Best wishes,
> Aly
>
> Chair Auditory Processing Disorder in  the UK/APDUK
> www.lacewingmultimedia.com/APD.htm
> www.apduk.org 