[SENco-forum] b d p confusion

Only if you now sit there trying to say 'buh' /'puh' (voiceless air)with out
the schwa sound that makes it 'b er'/'p-er' when pronounced by most  :-)!

Sharon Tringham

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[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk]On Behalf Of senco_rik
Sent: 12 October 2006 17:36
To: 'Maggie Downie'; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion

b/p have similar mouth movements, as  Sharon says.
I agree that /b /d have quite different mouth movements.
Does this mean I am the same sort of freak as Maggie ?  ;-)
Rik

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Maggie Downie
Sent: 12 October 2006 16:52
To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d p confusion

Well, I've been sitting here saying /b/, /d/ repeatedly and
the mouth movements are quite different.  Am I some sort of
freak?  To say /d/ the tongue touches the roof of the mouth
and the lips are  parted from the start, whereas the tongue
doesn't move at all in /b/ and the lips start off closed and
open as air is forced through them.

Maggie

----- Original Message ----
From: Sharon Fawcitt <sfawcitt at dsl.pipex.com>
To: Olanys at aol.com; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
Sent: Thursday, 12 October, 2006 12:21:19 AM
Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion

I agree.  It is important to find out what is causing the
problem first - see Aly's and Mary Kelly's posts -and help
accordingly,  or you will not be helping the child at all.
b/p is commonly an auditory processing problem initially.
The mouth movements are identical - feel for yourself when
you announce each - one is voiced, one is not, but
otherwise, identical mouth movement.
Sharon F.

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Sent: 11 October 2006 22:54
To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d confusion

"Sure, I  agree. I'm thinking that first you must be able to
perceive that there is a  difference between the phonemes
though - if they sound the same to you, you  won't know
which kinaesthetic feel to associate with which phoneme, and
therefore confusion will continue, no matter how clearly you
can  distinguish between the graphemes. Don't you think
so?"

I totally agree Mary. It is either, as I said in my original
post on this topic, an auditory processing issue
(differentiating the phonemes) or a visual processing issue
(distinguishing between the graphemes) and you need to know
which one. It may even be both...

Best wishes,
Aly

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