[senco-forum] b d p confusion

/B/ and /p/ are voiced and unvoiced equivalents;

I don't form 'b' and 'p' orally in the same way - the 'b' is formed towards
the back of my lips; the 'p' is formed further forward and has a slightly
different shaping of the lips.

For 'd', my tongue contacts the roof of the mouth further back than for 't'.
For 't', the tongue seems to be involved in producing the plosive effect.

So they're equivalents up to a point!  (At least in my mouth)

Meandering thread - strayed far from the original - but definitely
interesting as a parent of a child with speech difficulties.

Biff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Kelly" <mary.kelly4 at ntlworld.com>
To: "'Maggie Downie'" <maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk>;
<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion

> /B/ and /p/ are voiced and unvoiced equivalents;
> /d/ and /t/ are voiced and unvoiced equivalents.
> Mary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
> [mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Maggie
> Downie
> Sent: 12 October 2006 16:52
> To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
>
> Well, I've been sitting here saying /b/, /d/ repeatedly and the mouth
> movements are quite different.  Am I some sort of freak?  To say /d/
> the tongue touches the roof of the mouth and the lips are  parted from
> the start, whereas the tongue doesn't move at all in /b/ and the lips
> start off closed and open as air is forced through them.
>
>
>
> Maggie
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sharon Fawcitt <sfawcitt at dsl.pipex.com>
> To: Olanys at aol.com; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
> Sent: Thursday, 12 October, 2006 12:21:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
>
> I agree.  It is important to find out what is causing the problem first
> -
> see Aly's and Mary Kelly's posts -and help accordingly,  or you will not
> be
> helping the child at all.
> b/p is commonly an auditory processing problem initially.  The mouth
> movements are identical - feel for yourself when you announce each - one
> is
> voiced, one is not, but otherwise, identical mouth movement.
> Sharon F.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
> [mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Olanys at aol.com
> Sent: 11 October 2006 22:54
> To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d confusion
>
>
>
>
> "Sure, I  agree. I'm thinking that first you must be able to perceive
> that
> there is a  difference between the phonemes though - if they sound the
> same to you, you  won't know which kinaesthetic feel to associate with
> which phoneme, and  therefore confusion will continue, no matter how
> clearly you can  distinguish between the graphemes. Don't you think
> so?"
>
>
>
> I totally agree Mary. It is either, as I said in my original post on
> this
> topic, an auditory processing issue (differentiating the phonemes) or a
> visual
> processing issue (distinguishing between the graphemes) and you need to
> know
> which one. It may even be both...
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Aly
>
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> www.apduk.org
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