[senco-forum] b d p confusion

From: "barbara" <barbht at saqnet.co.uk>

-- and me too -- till I re read the Sharon's posting! June (who's catching 
up on reading mails cos it's half term !)

>From: "barbara" <barbht at saqnet.co.uk>
>To: "'senco_rik'" <senco_rik at ntlworld.com>,"'Maggie Downie'" 
><maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk>,<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
>Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:00:24 +0100
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>'Does this mean I am the same sort of freak as Maggie ?  ;-)' yes ! And me
>too ! Barbara ht
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
>[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of senco_rik
>Sent: 12 October 2006 17:36
>To: 'Maggie Downie'; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
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>b/p have similar mouth movements, as  Sharon says.
>I agree that /b /d have quite different mouth movements.
>Does this mean I am the same sort of freak as Maggie ?  ;-)
>Rik
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
>[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Maggie Downie
>Sent: 12 October 2006 16:52
>To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
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>Well, I've been sitting here saying /b/, /d/ repeatedly and
>the mouth movements are quite different.  Am I some sort of freak?  To say
>/d/ the tongue touches the roof of the mouth and the lips are  parted from
>the start, whereas the tongue doesn't move at all in /b/ and the lips start
>off closed and open as air is forced through them.
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>Maggie
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: Sharon Fawcitt <sfawcitt at dsl.pipex.com>
>To: Olanys at aol.com; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>Sent: Thursday, 12 October, 2006 12:21:19 AM
>Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
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>I agree.  It is important to find out what is causing the problem first -
>see Aly's and Mary Kelly's posts -and help accordingly,  or you will not be
>helping the child at all.
>b/p is commonly an auditory processing problem initially.
>The mouth movements are identical - feel for yourself when
>you announce each - one is voiced, one is not, but
>otherwise, identical mouth movement.
>Sharon F.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
>[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Olanys at aol.com
>Sent: 11 October 2006 22:54
>To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d confusion
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>"Sure, I  agree. I'm thinking that first you must be able to perceive that
>there is a  difference between the phonemes though - if they sound the same
>to you, you  won't know which kinaesthetic feel to associate with which
>phoneme, and therefore confusion will continue, no matter how clearly you
>can  distinguish between the graphemes. Don't you think so?"
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>I totally agree Mary. It is either, as I said in my original post on this
>topic, an auditory processing issue (differentiating the phonemes) or a
>visual processing issue (distinguishing between the graphemes) and you need
>to know which one. It may even be both...
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>Best wishes,
>Aly
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>Chair Auditory  Processing Disorder in the UK/APDUK
>www.lacewingmultimedia.com/APD.htm
>www.apduk.org
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