[SENco-forum] voiced unvoiced consonants

I thought Sharon's posting excellent. Don't know if this watered

Hi Sharon

Pairs of voiceless / voiced sounds are (in voiceless/ voiced order) p b:
t d: c g; s z: f v: sh s (as in measure): th (thin) th (that): ch dge
(judge)

Other voiced sounds are ( I think) m  ng  n  r  l 

If you look up an international phonetic alphabet, you should find them
all.

Hope this helps

Clare
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-----Original Message-----
From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of
SEN at tringham.net
Sent: 30 October 2006 08:02
To: Mary Kelly; Becta Senco
Subject: RE: [SENco-forum] voiced unvoiced consonants

To save me driving myself mad do you (or anyone) have a list of voiced &
unvoiced consonants to hand?

That way I can use this information to make up a worksheet for 'ed'.
These
I send to Hong Kong for posting on the HKASLD ( dyslexia association for
parents) to be used to teach English to parents/children who have
dyslexia.

Worksheets are made available (not for profit) from the website
www.asld.org.hk   This is a useful site if you have Chinese speaking
parents
of a student with SpLD.

Sharon

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[Mary Kelly] This message comes from Philippa, who can't post messages
directly to the forum at present:
[Mary Kelly]
You might like to pass on the following to the forum on my behalf...

The Edith Norrie Letter Case - available from the Helen Arkell Dyslexia
Centre (they have a web site) is coloured with voiced and unvoiced.  All
the
green letters are voiced.  All the black ones unvoiced.  The five vowels
are
red and are voiced.  Some letters have both green and black on them such
as
th in path which is unvoiced and th in clothes which is voiced.

The box makes voiced and unvoiced very visual which I found helps me to
remember them.

Where voiced and unvoiced really comes in handy is teaching the three
voices
of ed (for those who write what they hear and not the ed of the past
participle).

If the final consonant is voiced then the ed sounds like d As in grab to
grabbed and smelled.

If the final consonant is unvoiced then the ed sounds like t as in
slipped
or sniffed.

If the final consonant is a d or a t then the ed sounds like id as in
landed
or waited.  Sometimes the final g gives us an id sound too as in ragged.
Otherwise this 3 voices pattern is one with few exceptions.

Philippa

-----Original Message-----
From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Mary Kelly
Sent: 29 October 2006 15:10
To: 'Gillian Clayton'; 'E Olson'
Cc: 'senco-forum'
Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion

Yes, I believe /b/ is the voiced one, not /p/. I agree about /t/ and /d/
though.
Mary

-----Original Message-----
From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gillian
Clayton
Sent: 29 October 2006 10:38
To: E Olson
Cc: senco-forum
Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d p confusion

Am I peculiar (very likely) or do other people find voiced and
unvoiced the reverse of this?  Try putting your hand on your throat
while you say them.  Jill
On 29 Oct 2006, at 09:37, E Olson wrote:

> I thought Sharon's posting excellent.  Don't know if this watered
> down version might help too?
>
> The similarities  usually described   are
> b and p are labial plosives, made by the lips, with a miniblast of
> air coming forward to make them , originating in the front of the
> mouth for b (technically described as "unvoiced")  and further back
> for p (described as "voiced").
>
> similarly, t and d  (and n, apparently) are dental  consonants- t
> being unvoiced (mouth air) and d voiced (air from further back)  -
> have forgotten what they call n.
>
> I found Wikipedia reminded me fairly clearly of more than I ever
> thought I'd want to remember about Phonetics- shades of a TEFL
> course in the 1970s!
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> From: June Boschen
>  To: barbht at saqnet.co.uk ; senco_rik at ntlworld.com ;
> maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk ; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>  Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:34 PM
>  Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
>
>
>  -- and me too -- till I re read the Sharon's posting! June (who's
> catching
>  up on reading mails cos it's half term !)
>
>  >From: "barbara" <barbht at saqnet.co.uk>
>  >To: "'senco_rik'" <senco_rik at ntlworld.com>,"'Maggie Downie'"
>  ><maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk>,<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
>  >Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
>  >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:00:24 +0100
>  >
>  >'Does this mean I am the same sort of freak as Maggie ?  ;-)'
> yes ! And me
>  >too ! Barbara ht
>  >
>  >-----Original Message-----
>  >From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
>  >[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> senco_rik
>  >Sent: 12 October 2006 17:36
>  >To: 'Maggie Downie'; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>  >Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
>  >
>  >
>  >b/p have similar mouth movements, as  Sharon says.
>  >I agree that /b /d have quite different mouth movements.
>  >Does this mean I am the same sort of freak as Maggie ?  ;-)
>  >Rik
>  >
>  >
>  >-----Original Message-----
>  >From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
>  >[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Maggie Downie
>  >Sent: 12 October 2006 16:52
>  >To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>  >Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
>  >
>  >Well, I've been sitting here saying /b/, /d/ repeatedly and
>  >the mouth movements are quite different.  Am I some sort of
> freak?  To say
>  >/d/ the tongue touches the roof of the mouth and the lips are
> parted from
>  >the start, whereas the tongue doesn't move at all in /b/ and the
> lips start
>  >off closed and open as air is forced through them.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >Maggie
>  >
>  >----- Original Message ----
>  >From: Sharon Fawcitt <sfawcitt at dsl.pipex.com>
>  >To: Olanys at aol.com; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>  >Sent: Thursday, 12 October, 2006 12:21:19 AM
>  >Subject: RE: [senco-forum] b d p confusion
>  >
>  >I agree.  It is important to find out what is causing the problem
> first -
>  >see Aly's and Mary Kelly's posts -and help accordingly,  or you
> will not be
>  >helping the child at all.
>  >b/p is commonly an auditory processing problem initially.
>  >The mouth movements are identical - feel for yourself when
>  >you announce each - one is voiced, one is not, but
>  >otherwise, identical mouth movement.
>  >Sharon F.
>  >
>  >-----Original Message-----
>  >From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
>  >[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Olanys at aol.com
>  >Sent: 11 October 2006 22:54
>  >To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>  >Subject: Re: [senco-forum] b d confusion
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >"Sure, I  agree. I'm thinking that first you must be able to
> perceive that
>  >there is a  difference between the phonemes though - if they
> sound the same
>  >to you, you  won't know which kinaesthetic feel to associate with
> which
>  >phoneme, and therefore confusion will continue, no matter how
> clearly you
>  >can  distinguish between the graphemes. Don't you think so?"
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >I totally agree Mary. It is either, as I said in my original post
> on this
>  >topic, an auditory processing issue (differentiating the
> phonemes) or a
>  >visual processing issue (distinguishing between the graphemes)
> and you need
>  >to know which one. It may even be both...
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >Best wishes,
>  >Aly
>  >
>  >Chair Auditory  Processing Disorder in the UK/APDUK
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