[senco-forum]Developinglistening skillsinsecondarypupils-Eddie'sCD

Hi Debbie,

Aly writes 'but why then is he (Eddie )  ignoring a very basic cause of the 
inability
to read in addressing it?

Because neither my professsional nor personal interest is in underlaying 
causes.These are areas for others with appropriate training and interests 
which are very different from mine.

For me the only point of any special needs operation in Education is to make 
it possible for pupils to function adequately in the mainstream school 
setting and complete a conventional secondary school syllabus. The very 
least return on the investment of 11 years of education should be functional 
literacy and almost one child in five does not achieve this.

If doctors decide that a child is blind and that they are looking into why 
he is blind and what can be done about his blindness that is right and 
proper. As a teacher, my sole role would be to ensure that the child become 
literate . That is sufficient challenge for me. I may have a passing 
interest in what caused the child to become blind but not a professional 
interest . I have done work with blind children but I have no skills either 
in curing or ameliorating their blindness - I do have a small amount of 
skill in making them literate and it is this skill that I choose to 
exercise.

Aly - if that hasn't got through to you by now than I have to accept that it 
never will.

Eddie C.

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Subject: Re: [senco-forum]Developinglistening 
skillsinsecondarypupils-Eddie'sCD

> Hi Debbie,
>
> I appreciate how irritating it must be. But if someone mentions  dyslexia 
> or
> ADHD or autism and asks specific questions about them, do you expect 
> those
> that have particular experience or knowledge about it to reply to the 
> forum,
> reply offlist so others cannot learn from the comments or not reply at 
> all?
> Similarly if someone asks a question on the forum about something related 
> to APD
> which I can help with, should I not post?
>
> The reason this thread has gone on so long is that Eddie simply cannot
> accept that in order to write a program on listening you have to 
> understand what
> listening is and why children may be affected, not come up with another 
> one
> size  fits all therapy....surely this is of interest to all as it affects 
> all. If
> it  does not then simply do not read the thread.
>
> He said "From the point of view of someone paid to resolve the problem of
> childrens'
> inability to read, I regard it as right that I should focus  exclusively 
> on
> that problem since that is the area of my professional  competence....
> I am very well qualified in what I do but neither my  professional 
> training
> nor experience covered the delivery of 'cures' for  mental, physical or
> sociological conditions therefore I decline to delve  into areas in which 
> I
> have no specialist knowledge or competence."
>
> Fair point - but why then is he ignoring a very basic cause of the 
> inability
> to read in addressing it?
>
> Why is he now writing a program to aid listening? This is an area which he
> has admitted he does not understsand and which in many cases cannot be 
> cured.
> It  needs expert intervention such as The Listening Program as I described 
> in
> other  posts today which still doesn't provide a lot of help.   Eddie's 
> program
> may help those that have problems attending but that  doesn't mean it will
> help children with REAL listening problems. Potching about  using program 
> after
> program to remediate something that can't be cured is simply  a waste of
> time...his and theirs... it only wastes more time they  don't have and 
> gives them
> false they can do without, only to fail again.  More damage done. They 
> have
> seen enough of that.
>
> As Eddie so rightly said..."The doctor is only wrong if his/her diagnosis 
> is
> wrong and hence the prescription could never result in a cure" which is
> exactly what his program offers.  If it offers no help, no cure then what 
> is the
> point in him producing it?
>
> The reason you are hearing more about APD is that it affects at least one 
> in
> 10 of the children you will come across and an estimated 60% of 
> dyslexics.
> It causes many of the problems your pupils face and those you  all ask 
> about
> here. If you have questions about a child and you haven't got the  answer, 
> it is
> often becuase it turns out they have it and they are one of the  ones as 
> yet
> undiagnosed with it.
>
> I have researched APD every day for 8 years and lived with a child with 
> APD
> every day for 11 years and I'm still learning. I am in daily contact with
> world experts on it conducting ground-breaking research into it and they 
> are
> still learning about it. If you think you know as much or more about it 
> than me
> or them and need not learn any more, please feel free to delete all  my 
> posts.
>
> Best wishes,
> Aly
>
> Chair Auditory Processing Disorder in  the UK/APDUK
> www.lacewingmultimedia.com/APD.htm
> www.apduk.org 