[SENco-forum] Proportion of VAK

Thanks Sharon. Do you know if the 20% Kinasthetic are in severe deficit in auditory and vis? Of just stronger in the former area? It?may be that singuarly kinaesthtic's are scarcer than 20%.

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Subject: RE: [SENco-forum] Proportion of VAK 

My course said 60% auditory, 20 % visual & 20% kinaesthetic - most people  using a mixture of each.  Teaching how to use each style brings the best  results for many.    More boys are kinaesthetic than girls hence the larger representation of  boys being disaffected at school and playing up as a result.    Sharon Tringham    -----Original Message-----  From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk  [mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk]On Behalf Of kngbrndn at aol.com  Sent: 08 December 2007 22:15  To: kngbrndn at aol.com; mary.kelly4 at ntlworld.com; saylon_uk at yahoo.co.uk;  senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk  Subject: RE: [senco-forum] Re APD indicators and other info -  andTesting-URGENT      BTW -- I've read in different 'learned' research accounts that singularly  'kinaesthetic' learners are relatively rare -- numbering around 5% of the  population. But other accounts suggest that up to 60% of the population are  kinaesthetic learners. What are parents and teachers to make of such  contradictory statisitcs -- except to have grave suspicion of the notion at  all.                      -----Original Message-----    From: kngbrndn at aol.com    To: mary.kelly4 at ntlworld.com; saylon_uk at yahoo.co.uk;  senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk    Sent: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 9:57 pm    Subject: RE: [senco-forum] Re APD indicators and other info - and  Testing-URGENT            As I mentioned previously, I've been advising on a young person diagnosed  with   all the key deficits for dyslexia / specific learning diffs -- in the  1% in   these areas and unable to read, write legibly or fluently, spell  well, and to   undertake simple number operations.?The young person?is quite  rightly?considerd   as severly?dyslexic, dysgraphic, and dyscalculaic.  ?      The LA?Ed Psych has analysed?the?young person's?'learning style'.?and  states the   young person as unable to attend and learn?when lessons are  demonstrated by   visual or?auditory means.?And only learns in a tactile /  hands on way.   And?learns precociously in this manner.?The young  person?presents with all the   characteristics of a  singularly?'kinaesthetic', 'natural discovery' learner.      ?      This  also means?s/he gets restless and fidgity?within a few?minutes into any  lesson other than those?such as?art or practical science or sport -- which  are   ideal for such a?singular learning style and where s/he remains  engaged and   happy -- and acheiving well throughout the session.      ?  S/he is described as a bright, popular caring, young person with  good?language   and broad?and deep knowledgea about the areas s/he is keen  on. But recently   diruptive behaviour is occuring??      ?      S/he has a  'behaviour and reactive management plan' with one target being 'to   learn  to?stay seated during lessons'. Yet the US recommendations for  accomodating kinaesthetic learners is to allow hem to?stay standing up, or  even   walk around during the learning process (we all recognise the  charactature of   the learned barrister who paces up and down when arguing  out a case).      ?      The young person's?first SEN?statement stated that  s/he was?a 'kinaesthetic'   learner. But this 'jargon' terminlogy?was not  elaborated upon or explained.?This   is being requested to be?altered and  expanded, with programmes and adjustments   to accomodate the young person's  singular?learning style.      ?      I've searched the internet for  programmes to suit kinaesthetic learners. But   nothing much of use -- othr  than detailed descriptins of theis particular   'learning style. ?And I  found it?there is?a specific?area devoted to it on the   APDUK site But no  information?is currently?on this part of site other than 'this   area is  being researched'.      ?      As with APD?(it seems in my experience)??a  diagnosis or recognised 'learning   style' is worth nothing if there are no,  or liimted,?valid approaches and   expertise?to assist in the actual  learning platform upon which such affected   children can flourish in  school.      ?      In the meantime, parents will have largely to rely on  tried and tested methods   developed to support dyslexic children --  particularly where the child is judged   to be such. Trouble is -- the  traditional multi-sensory approaches to support   dyslexic children have  largely failed for this young person -- as the auditory   and visual aspects  are hoplessly inappropriate.      ?      And, whilst the 'kinaesthetic'  learning style jargon has been bandied about --   very little attention has  been paid to developing programmes to suit her/his   style in the basic  skills lessons which s/he postively hates. S/he has been   driven to  'disruptive behaviour' because of this -- including getting restless  during standard taught basic skills lessons and insisting on standing or  wishing   to move around to assisit her/his learning? -- a recognised aspect  of?such an   individuals?'learning style' but is being seen as diliberate  disruption by the   young person' teachers and support assistants.      ?  So what to do? It's fine giving the youg person a label such a  'kinaesthetic'   learner -- or having APD, or CAPD. But it seems, so  far,?that only the 'dyslexia   camp' have developed comprehensive teaching  and learning appraoches for those   long-term?failing in basic skills (very  able)?young persons.      ?      So it's no wonder parents look to high  levels of specialst provision in the   dyslexia areas -- and appeal for  places in special independent schools at upper   primary / secondary?phases  (as with Ruth Kelly)?for their children.       ?      Parents are  pragmatists when it comes to their own children. They don't have   time to  wait for 'future research' and they soon detect which areas of  described?diagnosis or difficulty lead them only up 'blind allies' in terms  of   provision or school placements. And drop?any interest in such lables  immediately.      ?      Those of us who advise such?parents have to help  them 'head for' areas of   provision and placements that actually exist as  areas of provision and   placements! With specally trained practitiioners  and where substantial materials   already exist and appear to work?for  whatever reason.      ?      If these assumptions of mine can be shown to be  wrong or misguided?in any way, I   will be very happy to pass on the  appropriate advice for alternative action to   parents of such children that  I advise. But all my advice has to?have   authenticity and have achievable  options. Desperate?parents of failing and   completey demoralised young  people?don't welcome 'pie in the sky'.? Brendan King          -----Original Message-----    From: Mary Kelly     To: 'Alyson  Mountjoy' ; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk    Sent: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 5:44 pm  Subject: RE: [senco-forum] Re APD indicators and other info - and  Testing-URGENT               Dear Alyson and All,    I would really  appreciate some good solid, practical   advice on this. There  are children  in my school who have listening difficulties   although they have  hearing  that is within the levels the medical professional   deems acceptable.  I  have no doubt about their very real difficulties. APDUK   tell me that the  only place I can get APD diagnosed is at GOSH, and that, in   any case, it  has  no treatment other than the strategies that we already have in   place  anyway.      On the other hand, Speech and Language Therapists talk about  auditory  processing DIFFICULTIES, and recommend sound therapies as  intervention. I  have hunted in vain for the scientific data to prove the  efficacy of these  therapies but there are knowledgeable individuals who are  very genuinely  convinced that they are helpful in many cases. I think I'm  right   in  including Dilys Traherne among them (from memory of reading her  article    "From Sceptic to Convert").    I want to do something for these  children. What   is the right and proper  thing to do?  Mary    -----Original Message-----    From:  senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk  [mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk]   On Behalf Of Alyson  Mountjoy  Sent: 08 December 2007 14:01  To:   senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk  Subject: RE: [senco-forum] Re APD indicators and   other info - and  Testing-URGENT     Hi,    For those that are interested can I   draw your  attention to the following link regarding assessment  of APD in the   UK by  GP referral to Great Ormond Street  Hospital, with criteria etc, and an  email link direct  to the Chair of the UK professionals APD Steering  Committee   for any questions on testing.  http://apd.apduk.org/adpdiagnosisuk.htm      WARNING  Please note;    Both  APDUK and the the APD Steering Committee are very    concerned by reports  that orthoptists and behavioural  optometrists are now   claiming to be able  to diagnose  APD, giving presentations on a scientifically   untested  and  unproven visual model of APD (I'm quite frankly  speechless!!) and   citing  scien  tifically untested  therapies that can cure APD - which is blatantly  untrue.   These claims are dangerous and unfounded. This  is a very worrying  trend both to   APDUK and  professional experts in this field.    APD is a  medically-based   physical condition that needs  to be diagnosed by  a  trained expert in that   field,  i.e. an Audiologist. You wouldn't go to a  chiropodist  for a suspected   heart condition or to an oral surgeon  to see  about diabetes. It's like taking   your pet to a  car mechanic when they're  ill! Common sense should  prevail, but   it obviously doesn't.    Please do  not refer to these people for APD testing.    If you are one of these so  called professionals,  please refer those with   suspected APD to those that  are trained to diagnose it efficiently. Otherwise   you  are putting your  professional reputation firmly on the  line.    I would   appreciate anyone  who has come across any  orthoptists/optometrists or any other  professionals  claiming expertise in APD to PLEASE email me offlist  with  details, all of which are being passed to the  Steering Commiittee for  serious   investigation.    Thank you.    Best wishes,  Aly    Chair  Auditory Processing   Disorder in the UK/APDUK  www.lacewingmultimedia.com/APD.htm   www.apduk.org  __________________________________________________________  Sent from  Yahoo! -   the World's favourite mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com  ________________________________________________________________________  More new features than ever.  Check out the new AOL Mail ! -  http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aol  cmp00050000000003      ________________________________________________________________________  More new features than ever.  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