[senco-forum] Re Teaching Vocabulary

Hi Eddie

Graeme!

You just have to ignore such contributors.  Teachers are drawn from society 
at large and society at large embraces the full spectum of neuroses. You are 
a pioneer in what you are campaigning for and that is not an easy path to 
trod.  I am one of SPs strongest supporters - it does exist and it does work 
but not of course with everyone.

You have made the point that it does not work with those with APD but there 
are thousands out there with reading difficulties that it does work for. 
You have to make the point about what you know does work and if possible, 
explain why it works. People cannot just accept the statement that it works 
if that statement runs contrary to their cherished beliefs.

 There will always be contributors who throw tantrums, stamp their feet and 
whinge that the forum should only discuss the thinks they want to talk 
about.   Like taxes, such people are a fact of  life that will always be 
with us.

Now.  How do spot those with APD and what form of 'whole word' approach 
works best.

Eddie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dolfrog" <dolfrog at tiscali.co.uk>
To: "'Eddie Carron'" <eddiecarron at btconnect.com>; 
<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [senco-forum] Re Teaching Vocabulary

> Hi Eddie
>
> I have tried to explain how I have managed to cope to read, but those who
> have this phonics based fanaticism come out and tell me that I am talking
> complete nonsense, and that to use these coping strategies would be
> damaging.
> I would love to explain how I cope with reading, but like most other 
> humans
> I have feelings and for some on this forum the feeling of others come last
> in comparison to their SP dogma. I can only discuss these issues with 
> those
> who have open minds and are willing to learn, unfortunately there too many
> who would wish to mock, in favour of their bodies of opinion and dogmas.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Graeme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
> [mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eddie Carron
> Sent: 11 February 2007 11:25
> To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
> Subject: [senco-forum] Re Teaching Vocabulary
>
> Graeme
>
> You quote me  'OK words for most are based on sound or an audible =
> phenomenon' and commented  'But how are those who have may have one of =
> many Auditory problems or disorders supposed to cope?'
>
> I do not suggest that words are 'for most' audible phenomena. I propose
> that they are audible phenonmena for everyone - including those with
> APD. You can only hear words. No-one can see them - a word is the complex
> sound pattern which people express to mean something specific. What we
> see in writing or print is nothing more than the visual representation of
> those sounds.
>
> I did not offer that as opinion or supposition. I offered it the reality
> of language and this reality does not change for people with APD or any
> other difficulty..
>
> As to how someone with APD is supposed to cope with that fact, for fact
> it is, I really have no idea but my ignorance does not in any way change
> this reality.   If anyone can tell us how someone with APD is supposed
> to cope with this reality then that person is surely yourself since you
> have clearly become very literate inspite of  your APD.  That rather
> suggests that you have learned coping strategies which you should be
> sharing with others and particularly with teachers who will be
> confronting children with APD.
>
> I think it would be more productive if you made suggestions as to how
> teachers should respond to children with APD and also how they should
> not respond. You are much better placed to do this then anyone else I
> know.  But having said that, words can still only be heard. They cannot
> be seen.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Eddie Carron
>
> 