[senco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service

Hi Jeff,

I daresay that's true, but I haven't been able to find an independent EP to
offer us such a service.

Mary

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hughes [mailto:jeff at box42.com] 
Sent: 06 April 2008 22:09
To: 'Biff Crabbe'; 'brian hepburn'; 'Jane Scaysbrook'; Mary Kelly
Cc: 'senco-forum'
Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service

Mary

Not all independent EPs see children in their consulting rooms.

Some still see children in the broom cupboards and assorted spaces that
both independent schools and state schools make available. An many
Independent EPs offer a service to their schools which is indistinguishable
form that of the LA services in all respects including consultation and
training.

The difference may be that the individual EPs you have met in the past have
been funded directly by the parents rather than by the school.

Jeff

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> Hi Biff, 
> Exactly my point. Until now we have had access to NO EP service willing
to 
> come into school and see the children in their daily environment, or
offer 
> advice to staff. So the maintained sector IS better off in this respect.
Not 
> only that, but I would hazard a guess that the EPs who see children in
their 
> consulting rooms have less experience of children in schools than LA 
> services do. And if the demand for LA services grows then surely they
will 
> expand ... perhaps even funded a little by the rates they charge the 
> independent sector (I wouldn't know). As I said before, EVERY child
matters. 
> Mary 

> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Biff Crabbe [mailto:ba at biffc.vispa.com]  
> Sent: 06 April 2008 21:07 
> To: Mary Kelly; 'brian hepburn'; 'Jane Scaysbrook' 
> Cc: senco-forum 
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 

> Mary - none of us would deny that all children are equally deserving of
EP 
> advice.  But even if it's good news, it's certainly not unqualified good  
> news.  The 
> resource is being spread more thinly. 

> It would seem unlikely that independent sector pupils have previously had 
> less access to EP services, but presumably it's been from independent EPs.

> You were eating something before, I'll wager.  But accessing an Local  
> Authority EP Service would doubtless be more...cost effective. 

> The only thing wrong with the 'let them eat cake' reference (which I
suspect 

> Brian will like)...how do I put this sensitively, without political  
> incorrectness....is that the historical version had this being suggested  
> for, rather than by, the less well off. 

> (I still think your kids as just as deserving of high quality support.) 

> Regards 

> Biff 

> ----- Original Message -----  
> From: "Mary Kelly" <mary.kelly4 at ntlworld.com> 
> To: "'brian hepburn'" <hepburnbrian at hotmail.com>; "'Jane Scaysbrook'" 
> <j.scaysbrook at ntlworld.com> 
> Cc: <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk> 
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:22 PM 
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 

> > Dear Brian, 
> > 
> > I have counted very slowly to ten and still I cannot let this go. Are
our 
> > parents and our children somehow lesser mortals than those in
maintained 
> > schools?  Do maintained schools not have to buy EPS services from their 
> > devolved funding? Is it not unqualified good news for the autistic, 
> > dyslexic 
> > and SLI children in my school, that we can now access the same level of 
> > advice that their peers in maintained schools can access? 
> > 
> > Or will you tell us to eat cake? 
> > 
> > Mary 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk 
> > [mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of brian
hepburn 
> > Sent: 06 April 2008 19:57 
> > To: Jane Scaysbrook 
> > Cc: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk 
> > Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 
> > 
> > 
> >>> > are you funny or nasty, can't decide? 
> > 
> > Ah, I haven't lost it then. 
> > 
> > As for this thread.... 
> > 
> > I have no idea of the details of the Service Level Agreement and
therefore 
> > didn't want to comment too hysterically. However, I am shocked that, on 
> > the 
> > surface, a LA EPS is selling itself to the independent sector and 
> > therefore 
> > depriving the children and families of its service. 
> > 
> > Every child, every parent, every SENCO in a maintained school or
employee 
> > of 
> > an LA should be heading to the barricades right about now, I'd have 
> > thought. 
> > Sorry, you can't have your EP today, she is busy earning cash at an 
> > independent school. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers 
> > 
> > Brian> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian hepburn" 
> > <hepburnbrian at hotmail.com>> To: <> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:10
PM> 
> > Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service> > > > > We 
> > have 
> > just successfully negotiated an arrangement with our local EP> > >
service 
> > so that I can have access to advice by email and telephone, and > >
one> 
> > half-day visit per term. This is brand new to me (and to the LA) > > 
> > because 
> > we> are an independent school.>> > Go on, Martin. Justify this.> > 
> > Wouldn't 
> > you love to know the costings? I bet the PEP has got a new carpet > for 
> > his 
> > office and the staff Xmas party is paid for.> > Brain> 
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