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[senco-forum] Fw: [SENco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service

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Mon Apr 7 17:35:24 BST 2008

Article: [senco-forum] Fw: [SENco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 

Regrettably, Phillip, such sums as £500.00 are out of the question for many hard pressed, low income, families, that ring IPSEA daily. OK -- their children won't be in private schools. But it is just as difficult for parent of childen in state schools to obtain a sound, detailed, objective, EP report. Certainly it's easier to draw hens teeth than to get one from the LA that recommends / advises on amount and type of staffing provision -- or placement. the families that can't afford private EPs also have a disproportionatley higher number of SEN children. It's these children I care about the most -- there are 1000's of them -- as I know you appreciate.. Brendan King










-----Original Message-----

From: Philip MacMillan <P.Macmillan at exeter.ac.uk>

To: Mary Kelly mary.kelly4 at ntlworld on' <elzo15ns at dsl.pipex.com>; 'senco-forum' <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>

Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:43

Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Fw: [SENco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service





As always the Scots are in front, "here's tae us - wha's like us?, damn few and they're aw deid". 

 

Is £500 really such a huge amount of money to get the answers you need?. How much is spent on vehicle servicing and repairs, holidays etc. Put it all into perspective, what is really important to your child may need to be paid for just like the less important things like gameboys, toys and all the rest. As I said before a plumber will cost you £500 a day and maybe more. 

 

Philip EP 

 

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Kelly" <mary.kelly4 at ntlworld.com> 

To: "'E Olson'" <elzo15ns at dsl.pipex.com>; "'senco-forum'" <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk> 

Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:06 PM 

Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Fw: [SENco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 

 

It makes sense to me too! Perhaps I should move to Scotland ... 

Mary :) 

 

-----Original Message----- 

From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk 

[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of E Olson 

Sent: 07 April 2008 13:52 

To: senco-forum 

Subject: [senco-forum] Fw: [SENco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 

 

----- Original Message ----- From: "E Olson" <elzo15ns at dsl.pipex.com> 

To: "Mary Kelly" <mary.kelly4 at ntlworld.com> 

Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:51 PM 

Subject: Re: [senco-forum] [SENco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 

 

> Dear Mary 

> 

> In our Scottish LA it was taken for granted that the children in private 

> schools had rate-paying parents like everybody else and as such they were 

> entitled to the advice of LA staff when needed. This of course meant that 

 

> the private schools could call in EPs, and also ask for help from those 

> running services for VI, HI and for children who needed specialised ICT 

> equipment. ( The only difference was that kids who needed ICT equipment 

> would have a trial of authority stuff if appropriate, but if it worked out 

 

> private-school parents were expected to buy a set for them.) 

> 

> Made sense to me. 

> 

> Elizabeth 

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Kelly" <mary.kelly4 at ntlworld.com> 

> To: <SEN at tringham.net>; "'Becta Senco'" <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk> 

> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:23 AM 

> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] [SENco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 

> 

> 

> Dear All, 

> 

> I originally asked for advice about how to make best use if this service 

> and 

> I am grateful to those of you who responded. 

> 

> As it now seems to have become a request for me to justify why I have 

> taken 

> this route, I will respond as follows:- 

> 

> 1. I do have the training to understand the recommendations in an EP 

> report, 

> that's not a problem for me/us. 

> 2. I have already established a local mutual support group of SENCos and 

> SLTs and others in the independent sector, who meet half-termly to share 

> ideas and support each other. 

> 3. All or most of these people share my wish to have access to an EP who 

> will come into school, employed by the school, and work closely with us. 

> None of them have achieved it, I don't know the detailed reasons why. 

> 4. I expressed this wish to the LA EP who comes in to work with us in 

> connection with a child with a statement. This person has a private EP 

> practice but felt that if we obtained private services then there could 

> potentially be a conflict of interest. A discussion was had with the LA 

> and 

> my HT and an arrangement has just been made. 

> 5. I am looking forward to being able to better support a greater number 

> of 

> children at a lesser cost by this route. 

> 

> That's probably all I want to say on the subject for now. 

> 

> Mary 

> 

> -----Original Message----- 

> From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk 

> [mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of 

> SEN at tringham.net 

> Sent: 07 April 2008 08:48 

> To: Becta Senco 

> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] [SENco-forum] Advice Please- use of EP service 

> 

> Perhaps we should approach the problem the other way round and ask EP's if 

> they would be willing to spend 6 hours in school and write 3 reports for 

> £600 a day and all could benefit. 

> 

> Currently around £400 per report if done independently by a parent and why 

> it is not often done unless said parent is in pursuit of a statement. 

> 

> EP reports do not necessarily give all the detail one might hope for 

> especially if you are hoping to get a simple list of all the support a 

> child 

> needs to access education on a equal footing with peers. Or they drop 

> hints 

> such as 'handwriting is untidy and referral to OT ....or any other 

> agency...could be appropriate'. This ends up as being a multi agency task 

> and why it is imperative that SENco's have better (and free) access to 

> training on identification and assessment to rule out or support lesser 

> problems. This way few actually need the services of an EP. 

> 

> Even if the report is excellent with a plethora of test results and 

> encoded 

> paragraphs of support needs I have found the schools do not know how to 

> decode the report for detail or know how or what to implement unless it is 

> spelled out in black & white - did I mention more access to training? 

> 

> If you are getting an EP in spread the cost and make it a SENco cluster 

> training a day on EP report reading and then a 2nd one on assessment test 

> application and interpretation. 

> 

> Sharon Tringham 

> 

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