[senco-forum] music and SEN [Scanned]

Thanks so much for replies everyone. Maggie I don't think SEN is a bar to

Picking up the point that your daughter was taken out of Art and PE
lessons: in my LA, we have always been told that you never take a child
out of PE lessons for any sort of support work.  It often made timetabling
a nightmare, but was worth it.

For all children, all branches of PE (games, gymnastics, dance etc) are a
necessity, not a disposable option, but for children who have
difficulties, work done in PE can help in so many ways, not to mention
those for whom it is the area in which they shine!

Regards

Jean

> Thanks so much for replies everyone. Maggie I don't think SEN is a bar to
> receiving music tuition in our LA but from what I can gather pupils with
> additional needs are not exactly encouraged either! Susie your post was
> heart warming and shows what can be done where there is a will. I first
> became concerened about this 'issue' as I had to attend a few music
> concerts in which primary children were playing. All of these children I
> happened to know were the high achievers in their schools. When I did a
> little 'digging' I found that there were no children with SEN playing
> musical instruments (or in the choirs). Now I can't say for certain that
> they never have played or sung in choirs, perhaps they were given a chance
> and 'dropped' out but I'm sure they have never been encouraged. My own
> daughter was actually taken out of recorder lessons as well for 'catch-up'
> reading (and art and P.E. when I come to think of it, all the things she
> actually enjoyed!) Thanks again and I wil continue to look into this and
> find out how schools are encouraging everyone to learn an instrument (if
> they want to)
>
>
> Subject: RE: [senco-forum] music and SEN [Scanned]Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008
> 11:00:04 +0100From: Susie.Pinder at bishopjustus.bromley.sch.ukTo:
> lks1985 at hotmail.com; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
>
>
> This is something very dear to my heart along with that of our Music
> Department teachers.
>
> We are a Secondary School with Music Specialist Status and therefore when
> I meet with all the parents of the incoming year 6 Statemented students I
> ask which instrument they would like to learn / continue with as if it is
> an expectation.  I have been staggered how many of these students have not
> been offered anything in Primary, one school excluding the student from
> the class recorder lesson, where they also learnt to read music so they
> could get their extra reading in.  So take up has been slim.  However this
> year we approached it differently by meeting the parents who had not taken
> up the option during term 2 (Oct - Dec) after the children had all been
> given an introduction to lots of instruments.
>>From the Statemented year 7 we now have
> our naugtiest year 7 learning to play the classical guitar
> The ADHD / Aspergers boy doing singing
> The Aspergers / MLD girl learning to play the piano (she can read music!)
> The PD boy in a wheel chair learning the drums - can't use the bass drum,
> but the Technician is working on a lever system that can be adapted
> An ADHD boy also with very high social needs about to learn the trumpet
>
> As well as this I do have a year 10 dyspraxic who has learnt the Saxaphone
> and a Dyslexic/Dyspraxic yr 10 girl who started with piano, but could not
> co-ordinate 2 hands and has gone on to singing lessons.
>
> As I feel I can justify these lessons matching it with some part of theri
> Statement, eg rasisng self esteem, gaining independence, (ther is no TA
> support given )  I pay for the lessons from the matrix allocation we
> receive.  I offer 15 mins lessons, but for some I give 30, parents have
> the option of paying for the other 15.  They then need to pay for
> insturmet hire, but if not able to afford, like my trumpeter, we have used
> other funds (in fact I have just got Social Services to agree to fund this
> bit)
>
> I don't know if they will all continue, and the selection is not based on
> ability.  Next year we are extending this to high SA+ individually
> selected who do show some aptitude, like my naughty guitar player.  It is
> all done in conjunction with the Music Department and next year it looks
> like I might have to learn an instument as well as one of those coming up
> is nervous about lesson on her own.  She is in a wheel chair and wants to
> learn the violin.  I can play it a bit, so a good excuse to muscle in on
> the lessons.
>
> The message is PUSH and you can make a difference.
>
> Susie
>
>
>
>
> From: senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk on behalf of lk sSent: Sat
> 4/19/2008 9:17 AMTo: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.ukSubject: [senco-forum]
> music and SEN [Scanned]
>
> In our LA we have a very good music service that provides teaching and
> hire of musical instruments for the children. It is very overstretched and
> the lessons go to the children who they think show the necessary apptitude
> and committment. I have done a small unofficial survey and have found that
> there is not one pupil who has SEN/additional needs/ disability who is
> benefiting from this service. Instead it seems to be the most able
> children who are successful academically and/or in the sporting world
> anyway that seem to be catered for. Can anyone tell me if this is unusual
> or what would be expected. I can think of many children who would love to
> learn an instrument but a) they would not get past the first hurdle of
> being selected and b) their family could never afford to pay for any
> lessons. The people I spoke to at the LA seemed to think it was just one
> of those
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