[senco-forum] dyslexia

Hi Maggie

There is no agreed working Model anywhere, there are some models proposed by
some researchers, but there is not an agreed working model, that defines the
individual skills required to perform the task of reading, how the precise
methods that from birth a child used to develop these skills, and how these
skills inter relate when performing the task of reading. There are many well
know theorists who have to make assumptions to fill in their precise
knowledge gaps, such as Stanovich, but we do not have the technology yet to
provide a complete working model.

You wrote 

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What are you expecting research to turn up to inform your ideal 'model of
reading'?  That it's all really done by smell, or touch

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Just goes to prove your lack of understanding of the issues involved that we
understand so far.

You appear to have no idea about how those who do not think like you have to
cope with your preferred form of human communication. 

If there was an agreed model of how we learn to read then the various
medical reasons why some are not able to acquire these skills, would also be
understood, and because as you so rightly put it, 

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.  That this does not suit your particular problem, we know, but the fact
remains that reading is an entirely artificial, man made construct and that
it was constructed in a way that the greater part of the humanity is able to
access it

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But there has never been a time when all could access this form of
communication, it has only been in the last 50 years plus that we have even
tried to have all try to access this particular communication system which
is complicated by a wide range of cultural variations. And not all cultures
started to develop a visual notation of speech at the same time, some
cultures have only just started to develop these communication system. 

Each culture who have hada visual notation of speech have found it useful to
make a historical note of ideas and events, as opposed to all communication
by word of mouth, But it was not so long ago that we had scribes, and
readers employed especially by the rich and powerful, to maintain this form
of visual notation. So it survived because it was useful not because all
could access it.

Research is needed using the new technologies to define how we learn to read
with no assumptions, so that we understand the skills required and why some
one like me may have problems accessing those skills, and how to help those
like me work around these problems. 

There is nothing in anything that you have ever written on any forum to
indicate that you have a full understanding of all these issues. Yes you do
have your pet assumption based mantra, but I do not have time, nor the
energy to debate the old chestnut. Basically if your mantra worked then we
would understand how to help all dyslexics. We still do not understand how
to help all dyslexics so you mantra is false or seriously flawed.

Best wishes

dolfrog

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From: Maggie Downie [mailto:maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: 08 March 2008 19:56
To: dolfrog at dolfrog.org.uk; senco-forum
Subject: RE: [senco-forum] dyslexia - screening/testing/assessment

dolfrog at dolfrog.org.uk wrote:

However the real problem is that there is no Agreed Working Model of how we
learn to read, the skills that we require to perform the task of reading,
and how these skills interact when performing the task of reading.

No dolfrog, your problem is that you don't agree with the model of reading
or hierarchy of necessary skills that psychological  & cognitive research
has determined over the past few decades.  That this does not suit your
particular problem, we know, but the fact remains that reading is an
entirely artificial, man made construct and that it was constructed in a way
that the greater part of the humanity is able to access it.  If it hadn't
been ,then it would have died out pretty quickly.

What are you expecting research to turn up to inform your ideal 'model of
reading'?  That it's all really done by smell, or touch?

Maggie 

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