[senco-forum] reading recovery

From: Paula Beattie <info at nurturegroups.org>

If my children were of the age for Reading Recovery (they work only with children in Y1)I would refuse to let them be included in the programme.  I would prefer them to be given intensive, explicit, systematic synthetic phonics instruction backed up by the use of decodable readers.  

Reading Recovery teaches a mix of incidental phonics instruction, 'look and say', guessing from pictures and context and places a great deal of emphasis on 'reading for meaning'; all of which is quite contrary to the current govt. guidelines on the teaching of reading.  They also depend heavily on 'levelled' books, which take no account of the state of children's phonic knowledge and use many words which can only be 'learned' by memorisation (because they are in advance of children's ability to sound out and blend them).

As others have noted, *independent* international research shows that the effects of RR 'wash out' over time.  Independent research (Centre et al. I think)has also shown that some 60% of children in RR would have improved anyway, without the intervention, and it is also worth noting that some 23% of children (that is RR's figure) fail to progress with RR and are 'referred on' for further help.

I know a number of private reading tutors who report that a significant number of their pupils have been through RR and these children are among the most difficult to teach, as the flawed RR 'strategies' are very difficult to eradicate.

Maggie 
--- On Mon, 19/5/08, Paula Beattie <info at nurturegroups.org> wrote:

> From: Paula Beattie <info at nurturegroups.org>
> Subject: [senco-forum] reading recovery
> To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
> Date: Monday, 19 May, 2008, 12:35 PM
> Hi All
> 
> My daughter is starting the Reading recovery programme
> after half term.  I know about it, how it works, etc, but
> just wondered what the forum thinks about it. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Paula 
> 
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>    1. P levels (Jean Blewitt)
>    2. Re: P levels (Luisa Pinnell)
>    3. Amazing (Jean Blewitt)
>    4. Re: Amazing (Kate Ruttle)
>    5. P levels (Jean Blewitt)
>    6. Re: P levels (Helen Reidy)
>    7. Re: P levels (Kate Ruttle)
>    8. Re: P levels (Luisa Pinnell)
>    9. Re: Amazing (Paul and Philippa Bodien)
>   10. Re: P levels (Amanda)
>   11. Re: P levels (Luisa Pinnell)
>   12. Re: Campus-based working between special schools
> (Nick Davies)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:05:46 +0100
> From: "Jean Blewitt"
> <jean.blewitt at sky.com>
> Subject: [senco-forum] P levels
> To: <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
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> I have just downloaded and printed off the revised 2007
> "Performace -P level attainment targets" document
> (38 pages I think!) 
> However all the examples have printed VERY faintly and it
> is hard to see them. Also I don't think it is a reader
> user  friendly format.
> Does anyone know if there is another easier to use format
> anywhere for example in a table form for each subject?
> 
> thank you in advance.
> Jean B
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:21:58 +0000
> From: Luisa Pinnell <luisapinnell at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] P levels
> To: Jean Blewitt <jean.blewitt at sky.com>, senco forum
> 	<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
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> 
> I have found a lot of excellent information on the
> Leicestershire Education site(link below) I hope it helps
>  
> Luisa
> http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/education/support_for_schools/sips/aandi-supportteams/sips_sen/sen_team_guidance/revised_p-scales.htm
>  
> > From: jean.blewitt at sky.com> To:
> senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008
> 15:05:46 +0100> Subject: [senco-forum] P levels> >
> I have just downloaded and printed off the revised 2007
> "Performace -P level attainment targets" document
> (38 pages I think!) > However all the examples have
> printed VERY faintly and it is hard to see them. Also I
> don't think it is a reader user friendly format.>
> Does anyone know if there is another easier to use format
> anywhere for example in a table form for each subject?>
> > thank you in advance.> Jean B> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:50 +0100
> From: "Jean Blewitt"
> <jean.blewitt at sky.com>
> Subject: [senco-forum] Amazing
> To: <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
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> This forum is amazing 
> I asked for advice  and within 10 minutes Liz  had sent me
> the exact document I needed!
> Amazing
> Thanks to you all
> Jean B
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:27:39 +0100
> From: "Kate Ruttle"
> <kate.ruttle at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Amazing
> To: "Jean Blewitt" <jean.blewitt at sky.com>,
> 	<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
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> Can you share it with the rest of us? We all ought to know
> about it.
> Thanks
> Kate
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jean Blewitt"
> <jean.blewitt at sky.com>
> To: <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:23 PM
> Subject: [senco-forum] Amazing
> 
> 
> This forum is amazing
> I asked for advice  and within 10 minutes Liz  had sent me
> the exact 
> document I needed!
> Amazing
> Thanks to you all
> Jean B
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:32:32 +0100
> From: "Jean Blewitt"
> <jean.blewitt at sky.com>
> Subject: [senco-forum] P levels
> To: <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
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> The link that Luisa sent to me is
> 
> http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/education/support_for_schools/sips/aandi-supportteams/sips_sen/sen_team_guidance/revised_p-scales.htm
> 
> Hope it is what you want.
> Jean B
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:52:25 +0100
> From: "Helen Reidy"
> <mail at helenreidy.f9.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] P levels
> To: "Jean Blewitt" <jean.blewitt at sky.com>,
> 	<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <02bd01c8b8f6$c9642bf0$0101a8c0 at hannah>
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> - and if you look at the side of the page and click on Wave
> 3, there's a
> whole host of great downloadable resources for numeracy and
> literacy, too.
> Great site!
> 
> Helen in Shropshire
>  (still, sadly, working on this glorious Sunday)
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jean Blewitt"
> <jean.blewitt at sky.com>
> To: <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:32 PM
> Subject: [senco-forum] P levels
> 
> 
> The link that Luisa sent to me is
> 
> http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/education/support_for_schools/sips/aandi-supportteams/sips_sen/sen_team_guidance/revised_p-scales.htm
> 
> Hope it is what you want.
> Jean B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:54:21 +0100
> From: "Kate Ruttle"
> <kate.ruttle at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] P levels
> To: "Jean Blewitt" <jean.blewitt at sky.com>,
> 	<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
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> 
> Thanks. This is very useful.
> :-)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jean Blewitt"
> <jean.blewitt at sky.com>
> To: <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:32 PM
> Subject: [senco-forum] P levels
> 
> 
> The link that Luisa sent to me is
> 
> http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/education/support_for_schools/sips/aandi-supportteams/sips_sen/sen_team_guidance/revised_p-scales.htm
> 
> Hope it is what you want.
> Jean B
> 
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:31:17 +0000
> From: Luisa Pinnell <luisapinnell at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] P levels
> To: Helen Reidy <mail at helenreidy.f9.co.uk>, senco
> forum
> 	<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
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> 
> glorious sunshine? You're having glorious sunshine in
> Shropshire?! here in London the sun showed its face briefly
> in the morning....
> Luisa> From: mail at helenreidy.f9.co.uk> To:
> jean.blewitt at sky.com; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:52:25 +0100> Subject: Re:
> [senco-forum] P levels> > - and if you look at the
> side of the page and click on Wave 3, there's a>
> whole host of great downloadable resources for numeracy and
> literacy, too.> Great site!> > Helen in
> Shropshire> (still, sadly, working on this glorious
> Sunday)> > > ----- Original Message ----- >
> From: "Jean Blewitt"
> <jean.blewitt at sky.com>> To:
> <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>> Sent: Sunday,
> May 18, 2008 3:32 PM> Subject: [senco-forum] P
> levels> > > The link that Luisa sent to me is>
> >
> http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/education/support_for_schools/sips/aandi-supportteams/sips_sen/sen_team_guidance/revised_p-scales.htm>
> > Hope it is what you want.> Jean B> > > >
> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:54:12 +0400
> From: "Paul and Philippa Bodien"
> <bodien at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Amazing
> To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
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> and we needed that update too so thank you very much for
> sharing.
> 
> Philippa
> 
> from Leicestershire as it happens!!
> 
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Jean Blewitt
> <jean.blewitt at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> > This forum is amazing
> > I asked for advice  and within 10 minutes Liz  had
> sent me the exact
> > document I needed!
> > Amazing
> > Thanks to you all
> > Jean B
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:32:20 +0100 (BST)
> From: Amanda <amandavh at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] P levels
> To: Luisa Pinnell <luisapinnell at hotmail.com>,	Helen
> Reidy
> 	<mail at helenreidy.f9.co.uk>,	senco forum
> 	<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <625581.26359.qm at web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Sunny but cold here in lovely Cornwall.
>    
>   Amanda
>   Secondary SENCO
>   Also sadly working but about to go and do something for
> daughter taking GCSEs this year.  Oh the agony!!!
> 
> Luisa Pinnell <luisapinnell at hotmail.com> wrote:
>   
> glorious sunshine? You're having glorious sunshine in
> Shropshire?! here in London the sun showed its face briefly
> in the morning....
> Luisa> From: mail at helenreidy.f9.co.uk> To:
> jean.blewitt at sky.com; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:52:25 +0100> Subject: Re:
> [senco-forum] P levels> > - and if you look at the
> side of the page and click on Wave 3, there's a>
> whole host of great downloadable resources for numeracy and
> literacy, too.> Great site!> > Helen in
> Shropshire> (still, sadly, working on this glorious
> Sunday)> > > ----- Original Message ----- >
> From: "Jean Blewitt" > To: > Sent: Sunday,
> May 18, 2008 3:32 PM> Subject: [senco-forum] P
> levels> > > The link that Luisa sent to me is>
> >
> http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/education/support_for_schools/sips/aandi-supportteams/sips_sen/sen_team_guidance/revised_p-scales.htm>
> > Hope it is what you want.> Jean B> > > >
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:37:57 +0000
> From: Luisa Pinnell <luisapinnell at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] P levels
> To: Amanda <amandavh at btinternet.com>, senco forum
> 	<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> more than 13 years since I've been to Cornwall-We hitch
> hiked all the way from London in the Autumn of
> '79-lovely memories...
>  Luisa
> 
> 
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:32:20 +0100From:
> amandavh at btinternet.comSubject: Re: [senco-forum] P
> levelsTo: luisapinnell at hotmail.com;
> mail at helenreidy.f9.co.uk; senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
> Sunny but cold here in lovely Cornwall.
>  
> Amanda
> Secondary SENCO
> Also sadly working but about to go and do something for
> daughter taking GCSEs this year.  Oh the agony!!!Luisa
> Pinnell <luisapinnell at hotmail.com> wrote:
> glorious sunshine? You're having glorious sunshine in
> Shropshire?! here in London the sun showed its face briefly
> in the morning....Luisa> From:
> mail at helenreidy.f9.co.uk> To: jean.blewitt at sky.com;
> senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008
> 15:52:25 +0100> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] P levels>
> > - and if you look at the side of the page and click on
> Wave 3, there's a> whole host of great downloadable
> resources for numeracy and literacy, too.> Great
> site!> > Helen in Shropshire> (still, sadly,
> working on this glorious Sunday)> > > -----
> Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Blewitt"
> > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:32 PM>
> Subject: [senco-forum] P levels> > > The link that
> Luisa sent to me is> >
> http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/education/support_for_schools/sips/aandi-supportteams/sips_sen/sen_team_guidance/revised_p-scales.htm>
> > Hope it is what you want.> Jean B> > > >
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:17:08 +0100
> From: "Nick Davies"
> <Nick.Davies at wao.gov.uk>
> Subject: Re: [senco-forum] Campus-based working between
> special
> 	schools
> To: "Luisa Pinnell"
> <luisapinnell at hotmail.com>,	"senco forum"
> 	<senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Luisa
> 
>  
> 
> The 'new school' is a relocation of an existing
> special school (School A) for PMLD children onto another
> site, where 2 other special schools (School B for primary
> age and School C for secondary age) for moderate/severe LDs
> are currently based.
> 
>  
> 
> The idea is to create a 'campus of excellence' for
> special needs for 340 children.
> 
>  
> 
> The new accommodation for School A is badly needed and the
> school needs to move to the new site where there is room
> for proper facilities. Its intake can be increased by 25% 
> (so there will be a lesser need for 'out-of-county'
> placements) and there will be a small 'respite
> facility' of 8 beds to be managed by Social Services. 
> All of this is excellent news and represents an investment
> of c?12m (partly financed from an Welsh Assembly Government
> School Buildings Improvement Grant and partly from the sale
> of the current School A site).
> 
>  
> 
> However, as it's likely to the only major project for
> SEN for many years, it will be important to gain the
> maximum benefit from it - particularly for the 2 special
> schools currently on the campus which were built 20 years
> ago but - increasingly - have to cater for children with
> far greater difficulties than they used to back in those
> days!  As part of the campus plans, there will be a modest
> investment in the buildings at Schools B & C, but they
> still have much poorer facilities than School A, and
> account for 190 children.
> 
>  
> 
> Under the current plans, the three special schools will be
> run separately, so it will be up to them (with some LEA
> supervision) to make the whole campus work successfully for
> all. Until now, there have been very few examples of
> children spending part of their week in one of these
> schools with the rest in another - though there are several
> pupils 'on the cusp' between SLD and PMLD - and the
> new campus would work well for them.
> 
>  
> 
> If you (or any other readers) would like to know more,
> please do come back to me! 
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Nick
> 
>  
> 
> Nick Davies
> 
> Grants Manager
> 
> Wales Audit Office
> 
> Cardiff
> 
>  
> 
> Tel 029 2032 0527
> 
> e-mail: Nick.Davies at wao.gov.uk
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Luisa Pinnell [mailto:luisapinnell at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: 17 May 2008 17:20
> To: Nick Davies; senco forum
> Subject: RE: [senco-forum] Campus-based working between
> special schools
> 
>  
> 
> Hi, 
> Do the SEN pupils have all their lessons in the new,
> state-of-the-art site, or do they travel from the less
> well-blessed schools on a daily/weekly basis?
>  
> The idea of a 'campus', integrating several
> secondary schools, has been proposed in my LEA as a means
> of amalgamating small schools.
>  
> Luisa
>  
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:44:41 +0100
> > From: Nick.Davies at wao.gov.uk
> > To: senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk
> > Subject: [senco-forum] Campus-based working between
> special schools
> > 
> > Dear SENCO-forum members
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know of an example of successful
> 'campus' - based working
> > between several special schools on one site? And how
> does that
> > arrangement succeed?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This might be where one newly-built school, meeting
> all modern standards
> > for accommodation/facilities and having resident
> therapists, shares a
> > site with other older schools (less-well blessed), but
> all schools
> > co-operate to ensure that all of their pupils get some
> of the benefits.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'd also be interested to learn for any pitfalls
> which campus schools
> > should be alert to!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > All comments gratefully received!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Nick
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Nicholas Davies
> > 
> > Grants Manager
> > 
> > Wales Audit Office
> > 
> > 24 Cathedral Road
> > 
> > Cardiff
> > 
> > CF11 9DL
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tel 029 2032 0527 (direct line)
> > 
> > Fax 029 2032 0600
> > 
> > e-mail: Nick.Davies at wao.gov.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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