[senco-forum] [SENco-forum] reading recovery

From what I have read from empirical researches is that they are selecting

Hi Philip

I find empirical research to lack credibility, and ignores the complex issue
that exist in real life. There is a greater need to get these desk bound
number crunchers to do some real field research and so begin to understand
the real problems. 
>From what I have read from empirical researches is that they are selecting
their source data, and then use their selected data to prove and justify
their own interest groups cause.
This may not be the case of some empirical researchers, but from my own
experience they usually ignore the most important details, and have little
understanding of the field research data that they are assessing.

So get these researchers out in the field to do their own field research
instead of sitting behind desks speculatingor should we say guessing.

Best wishes

dolfrog

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[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Philip
MacMillan
Sent: 20 May 2008 19:43
To: Stuart Lucas; maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk; Becta Senco; SEN at tringham.net
Subject: Re: [senco-forum] [SENco-forum] reading recovery

Empirical educational research is just ignored by the system at all levels. 
The system spends other people's money (they have no option but to pay) on 
other people's children (they have no choice as to what is provided to them,

unless of course you can afford private).   The government is always 
bleating about tax payer value for money and how we all need ot be 
accountable for what we do and yet they ignore the advice from their own 
chosen experts for that of the old guard.  RR has been shown to be close to 
fraudulent in the way that it gathered and manipulated the data and what 
does HMG do, why it gives them more.  A bit like all the failed IT 
contracts, those who fail get paid more as there is plenty more where that 
came from.  Oh to be a non dom and pay nothing to live in the UK.  Fat 
chance!

Philip EP
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From: "Stuart Lucas" <lucass at loretto.com>
To: "Philip MacMillan" <P.Macmillan at exeter.ac.uk>; <maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk>;

"Becta Senco" <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>; <SEN at tringham.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: [senco-forum] [SENco-forum] reading recovery

10 O'clock news last night -
Reading Recovery - being pushed by .......?
Looks like added some 20 odd billion pounds to Ed budget but not much
rewards??????

Stuart

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[mailto:senco-forum-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Philip
MacMillan
Sent: 19 May 2008 20:36
To: maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk; Becta Senco; SEN at tringham.net
Subject: Re: [senco-forum] [SENco-forum] reading recovery

If you look at the INDEPENDENT evaluations of RR you will find that it
by
and large a sham.  RR obviously still has big friends in big government.

They should not be spending any of our money on it.

Philip EP
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maggie Downie" <maizie2004 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Becta Senco" <senco-forum at lists.becta.org.uk>; <SEN at tringham.net>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [senco-forum] [SENco-forum] reading recovery

--- On Mon, 19/5/08, SEN at tringham.net <SEN at tringham.net> wrote:

> Where the system always breaks down is for the unlucky
> 20-25% where dealing with phonics/blending/consonant
> clusters 'str' or 'tion', or, abstract
> whole words - 'was/are' is difficult and where
> context in dictation sentences has to be used to learn and
> then these broken back down to individual words in
> isolation.

Sharon, I don't quite understand what you are saying here.  I work with
'the
bottom 25%' of readers in my school ( a perfectly ordinary comp. in an
area
of social deprivation)and I suppose I must count myself fortunate that
I've
never worked with a single child who couldn't grasp the principles of
phonics and of blending.  On the other hand, they are uniformly confused
and
messed up by having had a mish mash of methods thrown at them at primary

school.  While I appreciate that you have had particular problems with
your
own children, I strongly suspect that Solity's figure of 3 -5% of
children
being REALLY difficult to teach is the truer one.

>
> Not sure how this scheme got to be pushed to the fore by
> government.
>
I think it's a case of money talking (RR are extremely well funded) a
relentless publicity machine and knowing the right people (they have the
ear
of the PM).

Maggie

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