[senit] youtube

i guess it could be covered by a normal aup. what some

Weird sense of déjà vu 

Back in 2000 Richard Walter and I wrote

"Ultimately protecting children from what any society deems inappropriate is both simpler and more complex than using software or an ISP claiming to protect on your behalf. As with any form of protection it is ultimately about communicating belief systems and encouraging openness about what they may stumble across in using the Net. Much of this can only be communicated through lengthy discussion and is best not treated as an ICT issue but as a wider issue within PSHE"   

The arguements we made 7 years ago in relation to the www and the need to educate and establish dialogue, are as valid in 2007 in discussing YouTube, MySpace or Facebook as they ever were.

David Banes
Director of Development

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-----Original Message-----
From: senit-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk [mailto:senit-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sean O'Sullivan
Sent: 12 December 2007 23:13
To: senit at lists.becta.org.uk
Subject: Re: [senit] youtube

Hi again David,

I suppose that if some staff are naive in using the internet and  
think that once they hit a site the content is safe then you're going  
to need more than just a basic internet use policy - sounds like  
there's a lot of early skills training needed there too!
Totally agree that pre-viewing material is a sound approach, but an  
internet policy ought to also take account of the possibility that  
staff or pupils may come across some material which really isn't  
acceptable. The key expectation has to be that if you see something  
that you think is wrong, you should have a positive model for what to  
do about it. Tell staff, click away, turn off etc. The luxury that  
many of us in special schools have is that in most cases we're right  
there with the pupils anyway and can guide them through the 'right'  
response. Effectively we can teach children acceptable behaviour,  
whilst many pupils in less supervised situations may need schools to  
protect them with clearer taught techniques (just in case), or as a  
last resort a filtering approach which desperately tries to outwit  
the wider world.

I definitely feel that banning sites like YouTube is as archaic a  
response to negative material as banning mobile phones and PS2s is,  
and that if those who operate these bans thought about what's  
available on DVD and in paper form then perhaps they'd rethink their  
approach to embrace media of any kind and focus on the 'negative  
content' rather than the 'media' itself.

Best,

Sean O'Sullivan
sean.frankwise at easynet.co.uk
Headteacher (acting)
Frank Wise School, Banbury
http://www.frankwise.oxon.sch.uk

http://www.parkroadict.co.uk

On 12 Dec 2007, at 12:39, david fettes wrote:

> i guess it could be covered by a normal aup. what some
> staff dont seem to realise is that there is a lot of
> not v nice stuff on utube(even though it removes stuff
> continuously), and that something that starts off ok
> can get bad. so have reccomnded pre-viewing all
> content before a class. however as youtube is one site
> rather than the internet which most know is
> unregulated, this seems to be harder to get over .
> again on the internet a lot of bad stuff would be
> stopped by our isp but i am not sure this is tru for
> stuff within a site like youtube. some schools do ban
> it so it obviously an area worth discussing and those
> of you who know more about it than me can help here.as
> david suggests making a direct link to pre-viewed
> stuff might be a good idea.
> david
> --- Sean O'Sullivan <sean.frankwise at easynet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Great to see interest in using stuff like YouTube.
>> Is there anything
>> in particular that you feel wouldn't be covered by
>> an existing
>> internet use policy?
>>
>> Sean O'Sullivan
>> sean.frankwise at easynet.co.uk
>> Headteacher (acting)
>> Frank Wise School, Banbury
>> http://www.frankwise.oxon.sch.uk
>>
>> http://www.parkroadict.co.uk
>>
>>
>> On 11 Dec 2007, at 22:42, david fettes wrote:
>>
>>> has anyone got a policy youtube with respect to a
>>> special school/s i could see please? obviously
>> there
>>> is useful stuff on it as indicated below for staff
>>> use.Some things may be useful for teaching.Other
>>> things are not.
>>> David