[senit] ICT Qualifications

In the interests of goodwill - some of this seems to be getting a little
personal

As always I perfectly happy to insult and abuse everyone but its much
more fun in person than via the mailing list 

Can I suggest a step back and if all else fails Ill hold your coats !

Seriously - shall we step back at this stage ? 

David Banes
Director of Development

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-----Original Message-----
From: senit-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk
[mailto:senit-bounces at lists.becta.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stephen Smith
Sent: 17 February 2008 19:43
To: senit at lists.becta.org.uk
Subject: Re: [senit] ICT Qualifications

I've never seen the documentary, I've never met Dave Hassell.

I have used Flash, and I find it dull and boring and far from inutitive.

And yes you have mentioned Flash before. Quite a few times actually.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Dellow" <gd at tygh.co.uk>
To: <senit at lists.becta.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [senit] ICT Qualifications

>
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2008, at 16:24, Stephen Smith wrote:
>
>> I'd guess neither institution is perfect, but I'd suspect that both
work 
>> very hard to improve the education we offer to pupils.
>>
>> According to OFSTED in 2006, this school's levels of attendance are 
>> inadequate - hardly the best indicator of buoyancy and self esteem
in 
>> pupils; not that I'm knocking them - I don't know the school but  I'm

>> sure they do a great job.
>>
>> I just don't really see how inspirational practice in a particular 
>> school somehow means we have boring targets and failure in an 
>> educational government agency - I'd have thought it suggested the 
>> opposite if anything.
>>
>> Though I've never really seen BECTA as pushing back the frontiers  of

>> education, they have undoubtedly done some very good work (they  host

>> this list for a start) - the publication a few weeks back  regarding 
>> Office 2007 and Windows Vista - was a very brave and  highly
influential 
>> piece of work, of direct relevance to most if  not all UK schools.
>>
>> It seems odd to suggest that either one or the other is education -
I'm 
>> not sure what you're getting at.
>
> I'm referring to the BBC program and it's main character in contrast
to 
> Dave Hassell who I've met, and the way he seeks to give guidance  to
the 
> direction of ICT in this country.
>
> And I'm contrasting being inspired to learn and being driven to train
in 
> order to securing qualifications.
>
> The examples you quote are not about people but about establishing 
> systems. Of the two I will always plumb of people - there is a
mistaken 
> belief the if you set up a good system then the results will  follow.
>
> Dave Hassell seeks to manage us but does he inspire us or encourage
those 
> who inspire us? In my experience he and a lot of Becta are a  dull
boring 
> lot and far from being grateful we should be questioning  and
promoting 
> alternatives.
>
> Hence - Try Flash with your students as I have with special needs 
> children at Ethel Davies and Little Heath, Redbridge, and forget the 
> curriculum and qualifications!
>
> http://www.myulverston.co.uk/flash/talks.html
> where I enthuses on video, with many illustrations, about Flash, the 
> exciting multimedia software that can be used in so many different 
> projects with children from 4 to 15.
>
> Or have I mentioned this before?
>
> Geoff
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Dellow" <gd at tygh.co.uk>
>> To: <senit at lists.becta.org.uk>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [senit] ICT Qualifications
>>
>>
>>> Which is education?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.lancaster.leicester.sch.uk/
>>>
>>> The Choir: Boys Don't Sing - BBC 2 Friday 21:00
>>>
>>> Inspirational, challenging target, feeling buoyant and ready to
take 
>>> on anything, increase in self-esteem.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.becta.org.uk/
>>>
>>> Training, qualifications, boring targets, failure - ready to give
up, 
>>> decrease in self-esteem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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